AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.
This is a pointless thread, as is the replies (that I have read). Here's to making mine worth something.....
Women in the miltary wish to risk their lives as much as any man. This should not be the question. It's actually a stupid question since history has shown plenty of women willng to pick up the sword or pick up a musket to defend their children. Our own history should make Americans ashamed of the idea that only a man can **** up an enemy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, salivate over your ignorance.
Bringing it to present day, first we have to acknowledge that their is a graaaaaave difference between a woman in the Air Force or Navy and a woman in the Army and the Marine Corps. I mean let's be honest, what woman in the Air Force, safe on an air base, is risking her life? It's the woman soldier on the ground on the supply run that runs into ambush on a supply run (with her weapon locked up in the rear of her vehicle ((Jessica Lynch)) that is risking her life. It's the Marine woman on the ground that runs into an IED situation (not trained to be a Jessica Lynch) that is risking her life. The difference here is the training in which each branch values the person signing the dotted line. Sorry Army, but own it. Anyway...
The point being that women are in the combat zone and have been for some time. Period. There are no lines of offense or defense in our present and future wars. There have not been any lines since America decided to discover warfare post Cold War after 9/11. The Marine Corps' decision to officially declare that there is "no longer a ban on women in a combat zone" merely relflects the fact that women have been in the combat zone since 2003. This does not mean that women should be placed into infantry roles. Far from it and for good reason. This merely means that no matter what the MOS, women are in combat just like any man in any other MOS. Hell, I had an Osprey electrical mechanic filling the role of Grunt security on my special missions 17 man Mentor Team embedded with Afghans just last year (the year ended with 13 members left). None were women. But this only means that we dont purposefully place them in harms way. However, in the end, plenty are in Motor T billets and Supply Billets and find themselves on runs that replenish those special teams. There is a lot of highway between a main base and those special teams and only a select amount of bodies to provide security for those runs. The nature of today's and the future's warfare is that roles need filled with bodies and those roles will be in harms way.
We could start a draft so as to fill the roles with all men, but I suspect that most Americans would rather bitch about what a woman's role in war is than stepping up and replacing them in it. It's simple. If you wish to replace a woman in a combat role, sign up. If not, shut the **** up and breathe the free air some one else is providing. For those that have served in the past and now complain about the changing of the times........die or get with the advancing civilization's program. Not that our pathetic stagnating current politics suggest advancement...but I'm sure you get my point. The sad thing is that the 19 percent that voted negatively to this poll as of this post is probably representative of the "leaders" that run our country today. Who's for a coup?
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Strength in the Army brought us....
Black Hawk Down,
Most of the friendly fire in the Gulf War....
Mai Lai in Vietnam.....
Leaving equipment and wounded, retreating in Korea...
Reliance on the Marines to defend Paris during WWI...
Hell we can go as far back as Custer.
The point is that the Army's strength relies upon people overlooking that the Army actually brings us plenty of embarrassment and shame. And it is masked by hiding behind the broad description of "military," which makes us all share the shame as if we are all a part of it. No one in the Navy, Air Force, especially the Marines, likes to hear that an Army **** up is yet another "military" issue.
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What institution doesn't bring us dishonor and shame at one point or another? We aren't a Japanese society where we can just execute our failed leaders. So when it comes to something like the armed services, which draws its strength from the support of our country, sometimes its better to not make a scene about things.
So let me see if I'm getting this right. We should just let anyone who wants to join special forces without any type of pre-selection because in your mind physical ability doesn't matter?
Should we open up the NBA to players under 5 foot tall? How about 120 pound NFL linemen. Awesome according to this thread ( or some of the people in it) training and desire to compete is all that matters.
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
They certainly don't want to be summarliy excluded from better paying positions or ones that will help promote them because it might involve combat. That would be the only sane way anybody should "want" be in combat, because it is their job and they are trained for it.
Your position is actually really insulting to women. "No really, we're weaker, and that's ok! It's better that we drag the team down instead of having to do the same things the men do. I men hey, they should be chivalrous and carry our gear for us"
But hey, by all means, tell me why the Army is completely incompetent in combat zones. Something tells me you don't actually have a god damn idea how we fight, and more than likely you're just letting your arrogance and overly zealous marine pride run rampant in order to boost your ego on internet forums.
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"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger