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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You need enough of it to get the job done, which in the army is a lot more then you think. More then 90% of women just don't have enough to be even close. Which is why they have gender based standards.
    Not sure that's true.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that's true.
    Thousands of armed officials, deployed troops, and ranked officers would disagree with you.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    This is a pointless thread, as is the replies (that I have read). Here's to making mine worth something.....

    Women in the miltary wish to risk their lives as much as any man. This should not be the question. It's actually a stupid question since history has shown plenty of women willng to pick up the sword or pick up a musket to defend their children. Our own history should make Americans ashamed of the idea that only a man can **** up an enemy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, salivate over your ignorance.

    Bringing it to present day, first we have to acknowledge that their is a graaaaaave difference between a woman in the Air Force or Navy and a woman in the Army and the Marine Corps. I mean let's be honest, what woman in the Air Force, safe on an air base, is risking her life? It's the woman soldier on the ground on the supply run that runs into ambush on a supply run (with her weapon locked up in the rear of her vehicle ((Jessica Lynch)) that is risking her life. It's the Marine woman on the ground that runs into an IED situation (not trained to be a Jessica Lynch) that is risking her life. The difference here is the training in which each branch values the person signing the dotted line. Sorry Army, but own it. Anyway...

    The point being that women are in the combat zone and have been for some time. Period. There are no lines of offense or defense in our present and future wars. There have not been any lines since America decided to discover warfare post Cold War after 9/11. The Marine Corps' decision to officially declare that there is "no longer a ban on women in a combat zone" merely relflects the fact that women have been in the combat zone since 2003. This does not mean that women should be placed into infantry roles. Far from it and for good reason. This merely means that no matter what the MOS, women are in combat just like any man in any other MOS. Hell, I had an Osprey electrical mechanic filling the role of Grunt security on my special missions 17 man Mentor Team embedded with Afghans just last year (the year ended with 13 members left). None were women. But this only means that we dont purposefully place them in harms way. However, in the end, plenty are in Motor T billets and Supply Billets and find themselves on runs that replenish those special teams. There is a lot of highway between a main base and those special teams and only a select amount of bodies to provide security for those runs. The nature of today's and the future's warfare is that roles need filled with bodies and those roles will be in harms way.

    We could start a draft so as to fill the roles with all men, but I suspect that most Americans would rather bitch about what a woman's role in war is than stepping up and replacing them in it. It's simple. If you wish to replace a woman in a combat role, sign up. If not, shut the **** up and breathe the free air some one else is providing. For those that have served in the past and now complain about the changing of the times........die or get with the advancing civilization's program. Not that our pathetic stagnating current politics suggest advancement...but I'm sure you get my point. The sad thing is that the 19 percent that voted negatively to this poll as of this post is probably representative of the "leaders" that run our country today. Who's for a coup?
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You need enough strength to get the job done, which in the army is a lot more then you think.
    It's a nice fantasy to make our branch feel good about itself, but let's be honest.

    Strength in the Army brought us....

    Jessica Lynch,

    Abu Ghraib,

    Pat Tillman,

    Black Hawk Down,

    Most of the friendly fire in the Gulf War....

    Mai Lai in Vietnam.....

    Leaving equipment and wounded, retreating in Korea...

    Reliance on the Marines to defend Paris during WWI...

    Hell we can go as far back as Custer.

    The point is that the Army's strength relies upon people overlooking that the Army actually brings us plenty of embarrassment and shame. And it is masked by hiding behind the broad description of "military," which makes us all share the shame as if we are all a part of it. No one in the Navy, Air Force, especially the Marines, likes to hear that an Army **** up is yet another "military" issue.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's a nice fantasy to make our branch feel good about itself, but let's be honest.

    Strength in the Army brought us....

    Jessica Lynch,

    Abu Ghraib,

    Pat Tillman,

    Black Hawk Down,

    Most of the friendly fire in the Gulf War....

    Mai Lai in Vietnam.....

    Leaving equipment and wounded, retreating in Korea...

    Reliance on the Marines to defend Paris during WWI...

    Hell we can go as far back as Custer.

    The point is that the Army's strength relies upon people overlooking that the Army actually brings us plenty of embarrassment and shame. And it is masked by hiding behind the broad description of "military," which makes us all share the shame as if we are all a part of it. No one in the Navy, Air Force, especially the Marines, likes to hear that an Army **** up is yet another "military" issue.
    Let's edit that one.


    What institution doesn't bring us dishonor and shame at one point or another? We aren't a Japanese society where we can just execute our failed leaders. So when it comes to something like the armed services, which draws its strength from the support of our country, sometimes its better to not make a scene about things.

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    Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

    So let me see if I'm getting this right. We should just let anyone who wants to join special forces without any type of pre-selection because in your mind physical ability doesn't matter?

    Should we open up the NBA to players under 5 foot tall? How about 120 pound NFL linemen. Awesome according to this thread ( or some of the people in it) training and desire to compete is all that matters.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You forget, I only speak for myself, and I have questioned the standards from the beginning. Jerry and I discussed it quite a bit earlier. I think the military largely suffers from group think, and that some lack he courage to question their assumptions.


    It's not an assumption that speed and strength are important in combat. That is an observed reality.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    They certainly don't want to be summarliy excluded from better paying positions or ones that will help promote them because it might involve combat. That would be the only sane way anybody should "want" be in combat, because it is their job and they are trained for it.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Let's edit that one.


    What institution doesn't bring us dishonor and shame at one point or another? We aren't a Japanese society where we can just execute our failed leaders. So when it comes to something like the armed services, which draws its strength from the support of our country, sometimes its better to not make a scene about things.
    ....And that's why the Army guarantees you a continual display of bad behavior with every war. The willingnees to look the other way is exactly why sons and daughters in the Army are under trained and unprepared for the realities of life in a combat zone. Every branch is without perfection. But Look at the record of each branch and ask yourself why the Army stands out like it does. Or don't bother and continue pretending that there's no institutional discipline problem in the Army for which we are all, as "military," lumped in. Comments from Army Generals going back to World War I suggest otherwise.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    You must have somehow overlooked the many posts relating to the revolutionary concept of reducing the weight of the kit. It's been done to death.



    Don't worry, guns make everything gender equal anyway (according to some characters who post here).

    It is not an admission. There is nothing wrong with the level of fitness women attain. It is simply a different level from men. US women are often giants, like Euros standing on a box. Possibly fitter and stronger than some foreign national male adversaries.
    Yeah, I can see why I'm wasting my time here. You're so dense you don't even understand why soldiers have to carry gear, or why them being on the same level of physical fitness would be important. Not sure what kind of warfare you're imagining from your big comfy chair, but the war in afghanistan is fought in the mountains, with heavy gear.

    Your position is actually really insulting to women. "No really, we're weaker, and that's ok! It's better that we drag the team down instead of having to do the same things the men do. I men hey, they should be chivalrous and carry our gear for us"

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    ....And that's why the Army guarantees you a continual display of bad behavior with every war. The willingnees to look the other way is exactly why sons and daughters in the Army are under trained and unprepared for the realities of life in a combat zone. Every branch is without perfection. But Look at the record of each branch and ask yourself why the Army stands out like it does. Or don't bother and continue pretending that there's no institutional discipline problem in the Army for which we are all, as "military," lumped in. Comments from Army Generals going back to World War I suggest otherwise.
    It probably has a lot to do with the Army being substantially larger and actually doing more. It's easy to control a smaller group of marines off on the side with their one specific task. And yes, there have been plenty of marine embarassments.

    But hey, by all means, tell me why the Army is completely incompetent in combat zones. Something tells me you don't actually have a god damn idea how we fight, and more than likely you're just letting your arrogance and overly zealous marine pride run rampant in order to boost your ego on internet forums.
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