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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, in order for a woman to be TRULY equal, she should be able to pass the physical fitness tests, as the men have to. If she can't do it, then she is physically incapable.
    Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.

    The physical fitness tests are set up for male abilities. I wonder how males were built a century ago...things change. People are taller and stronger than they used to be and physical ability may have a sliding scale according to need. However...

    Women are not male. That is a fact. Therefore it is discriminatory (and pointless) to test them on the same basis as males. The majority will be physically unable to do what males do. However, if they can still do much what males do on the field of battle, they can serve. This is reality. It's utter nonsense to expect women to be as physically strong as men and it's more nonsense to exclude them from combat for that reason alone.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post


    They will be forced to reduce the weight if women want to join that arena.
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    Ah, so it will just magically "happen" because... um... because... um... because it has to!


    So what will they carry less of?

    Ammo? Not a good idea. Going empty in a firefight is just not a good thing...

    Food, water? So we'll either have to shorten missions or someone else will have to carry their share? That'll be great for morale and operations...

    Body armor? That's a big one... but then a lot more women would get killed in combat for lack of armor...

    CBN/MOPP gear? Well if you don't want protection available if someone cuts loose with VX, Sarin or etc...

    Basic survival gear? What will you do without in the field? They already don't exactly have many "luxuries" to speak of.

    So where are these magical reductions going to take place, and who will take up the slack?


    I come back to what I said originally: I have no problem with women in combat units, as long as they are capable of performing to that unit's required standards without lowering those standards.

    Anyone, man or woman, who cannot meet those standards cannot join that unit.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    This is not a game. This is serious stuff. If you can't carry your own weight and perhaps even the weight of another, then you are not only putting yourself at risk, but every other person in your unit. I don't see why people can't understand that.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Trouble is here..it is full of testorone b*ll crap...

    They really have no idea..
    What?
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.
    Wait a minute. I want easier tests and lighter gear too. Why should I not get what they get?

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.

    The physical fitness tests are set up for male abilities. I wonder how males were built a century ago...things change. People are taller and stronger than they used to be and physical ability may have a sliding scale according to need. However...

    Women are not male. That is a fact. Therefore it is discriminatory (and pointless) to test them on the same basis as males. The majority will be physically unable to do what males do. However, if they can still do much what males do on the field of battle, they can serve. This is reality. It's utter nonsense to expect women to be as physically strong as men and it's more nonsense to exclude them from combat for that reason alone.
    The problem here is you're more concerned about women's lib than national security.


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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.

    The physical fitness tests are set up for male abilities. I wonder how males were built a century ago...things change. People are taller and stronger than they used to be and physical ability may have a sliding scale according to need. However...

    Women are not male. That is a fact. Therefore it is discriminatory (and pointless) to test them on the same basis as males. The majority will be physically unable to do what males do. However, if they can still do much what males do on the field of battle, they can serve.
    This is reality. It's utter nonsense to expect women to be as physically strong as men and it's more nonsense to exclude them from combat for that reason alone.

    It would be helpful for you to repeat that phrase to yourself . . . over and over.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is not a game. This is serious stuff. If you can't carry your own weight and perhaps even the weight of another, then you are not only putting yourself at risk, but every other person in your unit. I don't see why people can't understand that.
    You're right, it isn't a game. It's social experimentation with the only demographic of people in the country that best represent the melting pot that is the US population yet lack the authority to quit or get away from said experimentation when they become uncomfortable with or disapprove of it.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is not a game. This is serious stuff. If you can't carry your own weight and perhaps even the weight of another, then you are not only putting yourself at risk, but every other person in your unit. I don't see why people can't understand that.

    Viv doesn't get it because, to Viv, asking a woman to carry the same gear that any other grunt carries is "sexist"... and apparently she doesn't care that a lighter load for women soldiers would mean a SERIOUS HANDICAP in combat, like less ammo, or less food and water, or someone else having to carry her slack.

    She doesn't want to get it because to her it is about alleged sexism, rather than combat readiness.


    Which is ridiculous beyond all explanation, because MEN who cannot meet the physical requirements for specific combat units can't be in those units either!

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Test women to female physical fitness levels and equip them appropriately. Remove the sexist handicap.

    The physical fitness tests are set up for male abilities. I wonder how males were built a century ago...things change. People are taller and stronger than they used to be and physical ability may have a sliding scale according to need. However...

    Women are not male. That is a fact. Therefore it is discriminatory (and pointless) to test them on the same basis as males. The majority will be physically unable to do what males do. However, if they can still do much what males do on the field of battle, they can serve. This is reality. It's utter nonsense to expect women to be as physically strong as men and it's more nonsense to exclude them from combat for that reason alone.
    This isn't equality though. I feel discriminated against. I want to be able to get 100 points on my PFT for 8 pull ups like the chicks do.
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