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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    I am patient enough to wait and let you see it happen. As it must, if women are getting involved and they really are not physically strong enough to carry a ton weight (which is not a fault, but a fact).

    Okay, tell me what gear you would cut...

    Ammo load?
    Share of squad automatic weapon ammo?
    Food rations?
    Water?
    Chemical/biological/radiological protection gear?
    Body armor?
    basic field survival gear, like water purification and firestarting and poncho and etc...

    Tell me where we cut it down, without creating a whole new set of problems. Tell me which of these items the military isn't already trying to find better technology that will be lighter? Tell me where women will figure out how to fight a battle with less ammo, less water, less food, where men were too stupid to figure it out?

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think the military should go about changing things so that all women can do all the things a man can do. Keep everything as it is and the small percentage of women who can handle it do it.
    I agree. I don't see it as sexist at all. They are supposed to be treated "equal" and not "special."

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think the military should go about changing things so that all women can do all the things a man can do. Keep everything as it is and the small percentage of women who can handle it do it.
    You're entitled to your opinion. If women want to get involved in combat, it is (or should be) their right. I don't know how US law stands, but a case can surely be made for discrimination against an employer who makes equality of opportunity in the workplace impossible and takes no steps to reduce that inequality.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They need to be able to carry their supplies. Apparently, they need some things when they're out in the middle of nowhere.
    Supplies are not going to break a woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, tell me what gear you would cut...

    Ammo load?
    Share of squad automatic weapon ammo?
    Food rations?
    Water?
    Chemical/biological/radiological protection gear?
    Body armor?
    basic field survival gear, like water purification and firestarting and poncho and etc...

    Tell me where we cut it down, without creating a whole new set of problems. Tell me which of these items the military isn't already trying to find better technology that will be lighter? Tell me where women will figure out how to fight a battle with less ammo, less water, less food, where men were too stupid to figure it out?
    They will be forced to reduce the weight if women want to join that arena.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree. I don't see it as sexist at all. They are supposed to be treated "equal" and not "special."
    Sparky, how is it equal for one soldier to have every single thing organised around his physical abilities and the other soldier to have every single thing weighted to make it a complete impossibility to do her job?

    Resolving that issue is not special treatment. It is provision of equality.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    You're entitled to your opinion. If women want to get involved in combat, it is (or should be) their right. I don't know how US law stands, but a case can surely be made for discrimination against an employer who makes equality of opportunity in the workplace impossible and takes no steps to reduce that inequality.



    Supplies are not going to break a woman.



    They will be forced to reduce the weight if women want to join that arena.

    Edit: As a matter of fact, women might even have to pack along a few "extra" items.



    Sparky, how is it equal for one soldier to have every single thing organised around his physical abilities and the other soldier to have every single thing weighted to make it a complete impossibility to do her job?

    Resolving that issue is not special treatment. It is provision of equality.
    It isn't "arranged" around his physical abilities. It is what it is. You can't expect to give people a handicap in something important like battle. Be realistic.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    You're entitled to your opinion. If women want to get involved in combat, it is (or should be) their right. I don't know how US law stands, but a case can surely be made for discrimination against an employer who makes equality of opportunity in the workplace impossible and takes no steps to reduce that inequality.
    I'm sorry. National security trumps "Woman Power!"


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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I'm sorry. National security trumps "Woman Power!"
    Hillary might not agree.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why not pit the best 100 women against the lowest rated 100 men who have qualified thru AIT? That way you get rid of the guys who can't beat a 'girl' and raise the overall quality of a unit.
    Do you really think  women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]-image-jpg

    Because I'm claiming that the distribution of men and women with respect to how well qualified they are will somewhat resemble the graph above. While there is some overlap, the cutoff on the number of grunts needed will likely fall where only men fill this number of positions.

    Another reason is a concern others have stated. In this day and age, you'll never avoid the BS of political correctness. Some women will complain about more men getting the spots, leading to lower standards.

    Lastly, the soldiers don't need to be distracted and checking sixes for the wrong reasons. We know how in the heck males get when drastically outnumbering females in a limited area.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I think that you underestimate women...Females make excellent assassins...

    ''The female of the species is more deadlier than the male''....

    Of course..they will lose in hand to hand fighting..because of men's superior bodily strength..

    But for cunning....
    Assassins? lol We're talking grunts here dude. Not some kind of Syphon Filter Metal Gear Solid crap.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Rather obvious that nobody posting in this thread reads the NYTimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I mostly think about them trying to drag or carry another full grown adult male who is injured out of the path of danger, and now that I know they wear all that gear, I know it's even harder than I thought.
    Does the following story answer your question?

    When the Bullets Flew, 'They Didn't Care That I Was a Woman'
    January 25, 2013 6:01 pm
    By JAMES DAO / The New York Times

    During her second deployment to Iraq, Staff Sgt. Stacy Pearsall of the Air Force found herself attached to an Army ground unit that was clearing roadside bombs. They had just found their 26th device of the day when one of their armored personnel carriers exploded. An ambush was on.

    The chaos that unfolded over the next few hours was not a typical day for Sergeant Pearsall. But under the Pentagon's decision to allow women into front-line combat units, officially announced Thursday, it could become much closer to the norm for women in American uniforms.

    As Sergeant Pearsall tells the story, her vehicle came under intense fire that day in 2007, near the city of Baquba. The male soldiers in her carrier had already dashed out to join the fight, so she jumped onto the machine gun and began returning fire.

    Outside a soldier lay unconscious. Sergeant Pearsall opened the rear door and crawled to the man, who was 6-foot-2 and more than 200 pounds, twice her weight. From behind him, she clasped him in a bear hug and dragged him toward the vehicle. She fell once, then again. Somehow, she hauled him into the armored safety of the carrier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Do you make baseless assumptions often? Strawman much?

    Now, according to some of my younger current-service friends who have spent much of the past decade in combat in the Middle East, the average grunt is often humping around 100 pounds of gear in the field. That includes weapons and ammo, survival gear, food, water, commo, body armor, helmet, NVG, MOPP or CBN gear, and more.

    Now, if you'd like to tell me that humping 100 pounds of gear on your body is NOT a strenuous physical task, be my guest. If you'd like to tell me that running around and diving for cover while wearing all that gear isn't a lot about brute force, please do.
    What do you think? Are there women already showing they can do what is needed for a combat infantry position?
    Ask Sergeant Pearsall, who was decorated for her actions in Baquba and received a medical retirement from the Air Force in 2008, and the answer is simple: Yes, women can do it, and I already have.

    During her four-month Iraq tour in 2007 -- cut short by injuries -- she went on patrols almost daily, wearing the same heavy body armor and Kevlar helmet as the men, while lugging camera equipment. She, too, came under fire. She, too, fired back. She, too, saw friends die.

    "I didn't sit around thinking: 'I'm a woman, I don't think I can carry this gun,' " she said. "And I can't speak for the men, but I feel that when the bullets were flying, they didn't care that I was a woman, as long as I was pulling the trigger."

    She added: "I contributed to the team effort. If I can do that, that's all that matters."
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It isn't "arranged" around his physical abilities. It is what it is.
    It is weighted to suit male soldiers.

    You can't expect to give people a handicap in something important like battle. Be realistic.
    ...you are absolutely insisting that women soldiers are given exactly that. A handicap. Women are to be handicapped out of combat and for some of the people posting it seems to all focus on something as simple as more appropriate kit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I'm sorry. National security trumps "Woman Power!"
    It appears you are wrong, as women may soon take part in combat.

    I don't believe the women who are interested in participating, would appreciate that insult to their ability. I don't believe they would go into battle to endanger national security, it directly conflicts with the whole point of military service.

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