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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Strength is found in the proper combination of assets and strategy. You should stick to the grunt work.
    And bean counters should stick to keeping the proper supplies flowing in the correct amounts for those who do the fighting. your opinion of what it takes to make a grunt lacks even a veneer of experience or for that matter basis reality.

    But I bet with a little training you could flow chart the supply parameters for a mech inf unit...

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And quite well. But the point is, they manage to do the job, just as women would if men somehow couldn't. It is important to question assumptions.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In the case of Israel, it's a matter of necessity. Israel is not a nation of 300m people. Without women, and mandatory service, it would not be able to meet its security needs. This, of course, does not imply that such is optimal.
    What about the other seven countries?

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    I like the part about smarts over physical strength.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I like the part about smarts over physical strength.
    Of course..women cannot overcome male strength...but they have other virtues..

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And bean counters should stick to keeping the proper supplies flowing in the correct amounts for those who do the fighting. your opinion of what it takes to make a grunt lacks even a veneer of experience or for that matter basis reality.

    But I bet with a little training you could flow chart the supply parameters for a mech inf unit...
    Please don't take my comment the wrong way. It's pretty obvious that people should apply the best of their abilities. Whether it's the traditional gender roles in a marriage, or in this case the strategists and soldiers, planned cooperation, rather than the attitude of "you don't know what it's like to have my role", is a key to success. While I don't have the experience of being a grunt, my basis has been the testimony of others who claim they have. Please elaborate on what you think I'm missing about being a quality grunt.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Hmmm. Do I think women in the military really want to risk their lives? Women? As if ALL women think alike? I would think that depends on the individual, and the same question could be asked of many men as well. It's not like men never draft-dodged or went AWOL as deserters.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    What about the other seven countries?
    I'm somehow obligated to hold your hand through all of them, really? Look, I provided the reasoning, critical approach and awareness of context necessary to evaluate each case. If you're so interested, then go figure it out. Whether or not I hold your hand through the other seven, my point remains: circumstance might result in great variety but the existance of a variety in no way implies that such is optimal in other circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And quite well. But the point is, they manage to do the job, just as women would if men somehow couldn't. It is important to question assumptions.
    Managing the job does not equal optimal. I support women in US combat arms, even infantry, but the physical standards cannot be compromised.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Of course..women cannot overcome male strength...but they have other virtues..
    And they never will, until they learn the "skills" associated with combat.

    Women need to overcome this last bastion of sexism, to put an end to predatory male attitudes.

    Although I don't believe for a minute any woman is going into combat for this reason.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yup. Lots of grunt work is strenuous and requires considerable upper-body strength and endurance. I'm not ashamed to admit that at 47 I couldn't keep up with a bunch of 11Bravo soldiers in their 20s, they'd run me into the ground no doubt... and I'm not even going to talk about Rangers or Marine Recon. I might have qual'd Ranger in my 20s given the chance, but not any more.

    Certain combat units require far-above-average physical ability, and not everyone can qual. If some women can, more power to 'em IMO... but the standards need to be kept exactly as they are and not lowered for any reason. They are what they are for very good reasons: it takes a lot of physicality to do some of these jobs.
    That is because men have been involved up to now. They're not thinkers.










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