View Poll Results: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

Voters
106. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    73 68.87%
  • No

    33 31.13%
Page 22 of 63 FirstFirst ... 12202122232432 ... LastLast
Results 211 to 220 of 628

Thread: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:57]

  1. #211
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-17 @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    15,248

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    the catholic church in particular...
    Yeah, thats the history I remember. As I recall, the English weren't actually that anxious to burn her.
    "Groups with guitars are on the way out, Mr. Epstein"

    Dick Rowe, A & R man
    Decca Records
    London, 1962

  2. #212
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,620

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The number 100 was chosen randomly to demonstrate the point that the number of grunts needed is a small portion of the military. Theoretically, to optimize the quality of our military, you should first determine the number of grunts needed. You then look at the statistics of their skills and overall capabilities in order to determine what standards should be set at so that the number who succeed is close to the number you need, erroring just slightly on the side of caution. Strength, endurance, determination, tactics, and teamwork are all important. Knowing the precise finite list of areas being judged is not necessary. Strategy selecting candidates for any type of position can be studied with the scoring factors represented as random variables. In this particular case, I apply expertise in topics such as lattices and orderings to help the military.
    the whole premise is incorrect. you are trying to use theoretical to justify a position that historically fails the real world test.

    You want to wonk the last place on earth where cold stats carry the day. if math could win battles, then the Japanese should have won Midway, the Germans the battle of the Bulge, the 1/7th at LZ x-ray.

    What wonks can't do is measure the amount of fight in the dog.... all pie charts aside.

    I want to say a former Sec of Defense McNamara thought very much like you did. You recall how well that worked?

  3. #213
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    10-27-13 @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,229

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What do you imagine these "specific anatomical differences" to be, which make women unsuitable as soldiers?
    Dahomey Amazons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  4. #214
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,158

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Well of course they do. They're Americans aren't they? All real Americans love the sting of battle...



    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

  5. #215
    Professor
    Mathematician's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    09-22-17 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    2,147

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    the whole premise is incorrect. you are trying to use theoretical to justify a position that historically fails the real world test.

    You want to wonk the last place on earth where cold stats carry the day. if math could win battles, then the Japanese should have won Midway, the Germans the battle of the Bulge, the 1/7th at LZ x-ray.

    What wonks can't do is measure the amount of fight in the dog.... all pie charts aside.

    I want to say a former Sec of Defense McNamara thought very much like you did. You recall how well that worked?
    Strength is found in the proper combination of assets and strategy. You should stick to the grunt work.
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

  6. #216
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. From "The Standards Will Not Change" to "The Standards Are Irrelevant" in less than a single thread!


    And they call us crazy when we said that's how it would go.




    Anywho, to answer your question, lots.
    You forget, I only speak for myself, and I have questioned the standards from the beginning. Jerry and I discussed it quite a bit earlier. I think the military largely suffers from group think, and that some lack he courage to question their assumptions.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  7. #217
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Let me break it down for you...

    Let's say two soldiers one male and one female are up for a a promotion. They are both equal in all aspects with the final deciding factor of who gets the promotion down to the pt test. Lets set the score at 270 because they are looking to do well, not just meet the minimum standard.

    This is what a 17-21 year old male has to do to get a score of 270:
    Push ups:64 (in 2 minutes), Sit ups: 72 (in 2 minutes), 2 mile run: 13:42 minutes

    17-21 year old female:
    Push ups: 36 (in 2 minutes), Sit ups: 72 (in 2 minutes), 2 mile run: 16:24 minutes

    As you can see a 17-21 year old male must do 28 more push ups in 2 minutes, and run the two mile run almost 3 minutes faster. I consider this to be a fairly significant difference.
    Here's what I mean by group think, why would the pt test be a consideration?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  8. #218
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last Seen
    10-27-13 @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,229

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Here's what I mean by group think, why would the pt test be a consideration?
    Oh I'm sure how many push ups you could do would make a great difference to your fighting abilities..confronted by the Taliban..

  9. #219
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,359

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Oh I'm sure how many push ups you could do would make a great difference to your fighting abilities..confronted by the Taliban..
    Upper body strength and endurance matter. We had plenty of crew served weapons, and anti-tank missiles, that could be mounted on the ground or on trucks (and was moved back and forth, according to mobility needs). We moved around a lot. There was always lots of ammo to go here or there. Hell, just digging the fox holes (and truck holes) required tremendous strength.

  10. #220
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,158

    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Upper body strength and endurance matter. We had plenty of crew served weapons, and anti-tank missiles, that could be mounted on the ground or on trucks (and was moved back and forth, according to mobility needs). We moved around a lot. There was always lots of ammo to go here or there. Hell, just digging the fox holes (and truck holes) required tremendous strength.
    Yup. Lots of grunt work is strenuous and requires considerable upper-body strength and endurance. I'm not ashamed to admit that at 47 I couldn't keep up with a bunch of 11Bravo soldiers in their 20s, they'd run me into the ground no doubt... and I'm not even going to talk about Rangers or Marine Recon. I might have qual'd Ranger in my 20s given the chance, but not any more.

    Certain combat units require far-above-average physical ability, and not everyone can qual. If some women can, more power to 'em IMO... but the standards need to be kept exactly as they are and not lowered for any reason. They are what they are for very good reasons: it takes a lot of physicality to do some of these jobs.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

Page 22 of 63 FirstFirst ... 12202122232432 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •