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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I don't have a problem with women having careers. I have a problem with women having careers in fields where their specific anatomical differences make them unsuitable to perform their job duties and present a real danger to their comrades. And, secondarily, I have a problem with young women in careers that have such a high chance of death or disability. It is good for a society to bleed off its excess males in this fashion; it is very, very bad to do this with females.
    What do you imagine these "specific anatomical differences" to be, which make women unsuitable as soldiers?
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    In my 21 years in the military I have never heard of one person be they man or woman who wanted to serve in combat.

    not one?

    really?

    I've met plenty.. loads.. tons... hell, I'm one of them.
    combat was one big ass reason I enlisted in 1969 ...the NVA killed my big brother at Khe Sahn, and I enlisted to kill 'em back.

    as for women in combat.... there's a ton of women I wouldn't want anywhere near a battle... but there are some I would want right next to me.
    my daughter is one of those whom I would be proud to fight alongside with...she's tough, she's smart, she's a hardcharger, she's motivated, and she can put a round through a ticks ass at 500 yards....she's also too smart to follow in dads footsteps, instead choosing to be a scientist. ( she's working towards her PHD in applied Physics)

    my wife.. not so much... she isn't built for such things as combat.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What do you imagine these "specific anatomical differences" to be, which make women unsuitable as soldiers?
    Specifically? They have less upper body strength and endurance and they move slower, which is reflected in the lowered PT standards for women in the military. They require more medical and hygienic supplies in the field and their reproductive systems are prone to conditions that render them incapable of deploying. All of this is fine if they're doing work back on base... but in combat units all of these things represent significant impairments of combat effectiveness.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It is obvious that that most of the people responding do not have daughters or wives of military age or they might give this a second thought.
    We're not talking about drafting women into combat roles, Navy.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    We're not talking about drafting women into combat roles, Navy.
    I think that you underestimate women...Females make excellent assassins...

    ''The female of the species is more deadlier than the male''....

    Of course..they will lose in hand to hand fighting..because of men's superior bodily strength..

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The better comparison is the "average" military woman compared to the "average" military man.
    I actually think Jerry has the best comparison: the enemy.

    Because if you want to start comparing allies, you have to compare that "average" 140lb military man to the "average" 200 lb military man. Then just re-type everything you've said using that comparison instead, and we get identical statements.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I think that you underestimate women...
    I don't think you understood my point.
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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't think you understood my point.
    OK..what was your point??

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    My personal experience is having two parents who are retired military, close friends who are still active duty, and 10+ years serving the military as a civilian. I don't claim to be a military expert; my role has been educating them in applied math. However, I think you'll agree that all the tests need to be passed and it doesn't matter whether the hump was the first, sixth, or where in the order it was.

    When I said "pair them in combat", I meant do a head-to-head comparison of the combat skills of the best female candidates versus the best male candidates in no specific order. Restricting to the top 100 of each gender, how many women do you think come out ahead of the male they're matched up against?

    I agree determination is a significant factor, but it's very possible to fail regardless of how much determination one has.

    Doing the same as what you did is matching what you did.
    Any of these 'close friends' Grunts? I kinda thought you had no personal experience on what it takes to be a grunt. or for that matter what makes a 'good' grunt. no concept of the ENDURANCE side of the issue.

    you use a rather bogus theory of what 'the best' is and how grunts are selected. your comparison is theoretical only, will never happen in the real world. Will 100 of the 'best' ever fight together? Have you done hand to hand combat training? I can assure you the biggest and strongest NEVER won in our Bear Pit. most vicious, quickest, and yes luckiest won.

    I am the one saying the trainee must MEET THE STANDARD to turn blue. YOU are the one talking about 'the best' and 100 against 100.

    You also don't seem to have a concept of how grunts fight...it isn't a modern version of Gladiator. No paired combat. TACTICS, and TEAMWORK. Better the soldier who fights as part of the team than one who thinks he is Rambutt or some such.

    If you agree determination is significant and it is very possible to fail no matter how determined then you have to agree brute strength can just as easily fail, especially if it isn't coupled with OUTstanding training and the skill/talent/intelligence to fight smart.

    The saying isn't biggest SOB in the valley....its MEANEST...

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Any of these 'close friends' Grunts? I kinda thought you had no personal experience on what it takes to be a grunt. or for that matter what makes a 'good' grunt. no concept of the ENDURANCE side of the issue.

    you use a rather bogus theory of what 'the best' is and how grunts are selected. your comparison is theoretical only, will never happen in the real world. Will 100 of the 'best' ever fight together? Have you done hand to hand combat training? I can assure you the biggest and strongest NEVER won in our Bear Pit. most vicious, quickest, and yes luckiest won.

    I am the one saying the trainee must MEET THE STANDARD to turn blue. YOU are the one talking about 'the best' and 100 against 100.

    You also don't seem to have a concept of how grunts fight...it isn't a modern version of Gladiator. No paired combat. TACTICS, and TEAMWORK. Better the soldier who fights as part of the team than one who thinks he is Rambutt or some such.

    If you agree determination is significant and it is very possible to fail no matter how determined then you have to agree brute strength can just as easily fail, especially if it isn't coupled with OUTstanding training and the skill/talent/intelligence to fight smart.

    The saying isn't biggest SOB in the valley....its MEANEST...
    The number 100 was chosen randomly to demonstrate the point that the number of grunts needed is a small portion of the military. Theoretically, to optimize the quality of our military, you should first determine the number of grunts needed. You then look at the statistics of their skills and overall capabilities in order to determine what standards should be set at so that the number who succeed is close to the number you need, erroring just slightly on the side of caution. Strength, endurance, determination, tactics, and teamwork are all important. Knowing the precise finite list of areas being judged is not necessary. Strategy selecting candidates for any type of position can be studied with the scoring factors represented as random variables. In this particular case, I apply expertise in topics such as lattices and orderings to help the military.
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