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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The DoD isn't suggesting any different standard, so that should be fine.

    Women are already graded by lower standards in the military, so no, they wouldn't be.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    When I said "pair them in combat", I meant do a head-to-head comparison of the combat skills of the best female candidates versus the best male candidates in no specific order. Restricting to the top 100 of each gender, how many women do you think come out ahead of the male they're matched up against?
    This test would be irrelevant. Combat is not an individual effort, but a team sport.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This test would be irrelevant. Combat is not an individual effort, but a team sport.
    Tell that to Chuck Norris.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Women are already graded by lower standards in the military, so no, they wouldn't be.
    What standard are they rated different that makes a real difference?

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What standard are they rated different that makes a real difference?
    Strength and speed.

    Two things that sort of kind of have an effect in the infantry.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Strength and speed.

    Two things that sort of kind of have an effect in the infantry.
    How much strength and speed is really required? I bet there are women quite capable.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's obvious that the OP shows no concern for the wishes of women seeking to serve their country in a combat role. Perhaps he would prefer them barefoot at the kitchen sink?
    I don't have a problem with women having careers. I have a problem with women having careers in fields where their specific anatomical differences make them unsuitable to perform their job duties and present a real danger to their comrades. And, secondarily, I have a problem with young women in careers that have such a high chance of death or disability. It is good for a society to bleed off its excess males in this fashion; it is very, very bad to do this with females.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    In my 21 years in the military I have never heard of one person be they man or woman who wanted to serve in combat.
    I served. I enlisted in the Marine Corps in Dec. of 68. Went to boot camp in Jan. of 69. Got my WEST-PAC orders and was "in-country" from June 69 - July 70.

    I enlisted not because I wanted to go to Nam. It was duty to country why I enlisted. Most of us back then served because of duty to country and it was expected of us. I think because most our fathers served during W W ll played a significant part when it came to duty to country.

    Did I really want to go to Vietnam ? No. I would have been just as happy serving on a 8" gun cruiser as part of the Marine Detachment or serving my entire tour of duty at Camp Pendleton.

    I knew many who wanted to go to Nam but they started having second thoughts once they boarded that Continental Airlines flight headed for Okinawa. From their it was a Cathay Pacific flight to Da Nang. It was a loney war because most of us didn't go over as a unit but as replac ements for those who tour of duty was up. Nobody wanted to get to close to the FNG. I would discover why, if you look at the Wall with all of the names you'll notice that the vast majority who paid the ultimate sacefice were killed with in the first three months of being in-country.

    Once you were in-country you had a mission and you did it but it was no longer duty to country but survival. And you learned real quick you couldn't survive on your own. You were dependent on the guys in your team or squad. They watched your six and you watched their six. I survived.

    If I would have to do it over again and even knowing what the outcome of the was was going to be, yes.

    I grew up in a all Democrat home. I probably looked at my self as being a Democrat when I enlisted even though I was A-political back then. But by the time I got on the freedom bird I was a Republican. I looked at who got us involved in Vietnam, and saw they were the same people who backed stabbed us while we were on the battlefields of Vietnam. By the late 70's I was a conservative.

    Women serving in combat would be a huge distraction. You have a mission to accomplish while at the same time trying to survive and watching your buddies six. I think I would end up paying to much attention of watching the six (no pun intended) of a female Marine or soldier and let up on watching my own six.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How much strength and speed is really required?
    There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. From "The Standards Will Not Change" to "The Standards Are Irrelevant" in less than a single thread!


    And they call us crazy when we said that's how it would go.




    Anywho, to answer your question, lots.

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    Re: Do you really think women in the Military want to risk their lives in combat?

    Let me break it down for you...

    Let's say two soldiers one male and one female are up for a a promotion. They are both equal in all aspects with the final deciding factor of who gets the promotion down to the pt test. Lets set the score at 270 because they are looking to do well, not just meet the minimum standard.

    This is what a 17-21 year old male has to do to get a score of 270:
    Push ups:64 (in 2 minutes), Sit ups: 72 (in 2 minutes), 2 mile run: 13:42 minutes

    17-21 year old female:
    Push ups: 36 (in 2 minutes), Sit ups: 72 (in 2 minutes), 2 mile run: 16:24 minutes

    As you can see a 17-21 year old male must do 28 more push ups in 2 minutes, and run the two mile run almost 3 minutes faster. I consider this to be a fairly significant difference.

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