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Thread: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's nonsense and it's sexist. The Armed Forces needs cooks and laundry people too.

    Insensitive jerk.
    Nah, at least in the Air Force, those jobs have been given to contractors. Stateside, the AF now uses a lot of mentally handicapped people in the chow halls.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Nah, at least in the Air Force, those jobs have been given to contractors. Stateside, the AF now uses a lot of mentally handicapped people in the chow halls.
    What's funny is that I'm wondering if enlisted men or independent contractors would be cheaper for that. I know that, for some small-time contractors, landing a military/government contract is like winning the lotto.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Should females be required to meet the same physical fitness standards as males? The difference in standards is astounding, no matter what service's standards you look at. This is especially true of the Marine Corps and Army standards though. Below are links to all 4 branches of the military's physical fitness standards.

    Marine Physical Fitness | Marine Initial Strength Test | Marines.com
    APFT : Army Physical Fitness Test | Army.com
    Air Force BMT Physical Fitness Test - Military Fitness - Military.com
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    One of the many things the Army stole from the USMC is the duel PT test format.

    For the uninitiated this means we have one kind of test for non-deployed units, be they active or reserve, and another kind of test for units which are about to deploy. The Army is currently re-tooling the pre-deployment test to more accurately gauge a soldier's ability to perform while wearing armor.

    Right now the Army's pre-deploy test looks a lot like the standard test, with additional movement drills to check range of motion, flexibility and coordination.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Should females be required to meet the same physical fitness standards as males? The difference in standards is astounding, no matter what service's standards you look at. This is especially true of the Marine Corps and Army standards though. Below are links to all 4 branches of the military's physical fitness standards.

    Marine Physical Fitness | Marine Initial Strength Test | Marines.com
    APFT : Army Physical Fitness Test | Army.com
    Air Force BMT Physical Fitness Test - Military Fitness - Military.com
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    Yes - they should be the same . . . and honestly - reading through the differences. I have no clue why on earth women can't just do pull ups and instead they do the arm-hang? Why can't they run the mile in 13:30 and instead are good to go at 15:00?

    See - the differences, honestly, make no freakin sense - I can accomplish all tasks for males within their allotted time except for the run (I can't do a mile at all because it's not in my interest to train for it)
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - they should be the same . . . and honestly - reading through the differences. I have no clue why on earth women can't just do pull ups and instead they do the arm-hang? Why can't they run the mile in 13:30 and instead are good to go at 15:00?

    See - the differences, honestly, make no freakin sense - I can accomplish all tasks for males within their allotted time except for the run (I can't do a mile at all because it's not in my interest to train for it)
    I guess enough women couldn't cut it so the military dumb down standards.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I said, nor is it true. There are women who can kick your ass at each event in a PFT. You are making broad generalizations that are incomplete at best.
    Well, guess what. I score a 300 and have yet to meet a woman that can do it. And whomever this mythological woman is, is not the standard nor is she even someone I've ever heard of in almost 15 years of service. Your retort is the result of your realization that you have no argument as to why women shouldn't be held to the same standard as men. They should be. That is equality in it's purest form. Same standards, same living areas, same jobs. Well, we have the last one covered at least.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're positively correct. In my previous unit (173rd ABN), you had to have 270 out of 300 in order to hold a leadership position, and if you dropped below that you were relieved. Airborne has the mentality that our leaders should be the hardest mother ****ers in the unit, and the first out the plane.



    Well, passing and excelling are two completely different things. In most combat arms units, if you only pass, you're a piece of ****. You need to have a really competitive score to be respected in the slightest. Most women I knew in the army couldn't even pass by male standards, much less be competitive.
    Well said sir. You're right, in the Marine Corps, if a dude does 8 pull ups and runs a 21 minute 3 miles, he's on remedial PT. Those, btw, are the maximum points for a female PFT. Marines follow the alpha. The alpha has to be able to destroy his subordinates in some way physically. Whether it be in MCMAP (martial arts), a PFT, the Combat Fitness Test, or just being stronger. What woman will be able to do that? None of them. Some will be able to hang with the upper 50% of a platoon, but none will be in the top 10%. It will always be, "She's pretty strong for a chick."
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What's funny is that I'm wondering if enlisted men or independent contractors would be cheaper for that. I know that, for some small-time contractors, landing a military/government contract is like winning the lotto.
    During the Clinton draw down, a lot was contracted out. Some claim it is cheaper, but I don't see it. But then people don't complain about civilian jobs from the military nearly as much as they complain about troop levels. The States do doubt love the contractors instead of troops, they get to collect taxes from the contractors, not to mention upping employment numbers.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    During the Clinton draw down, a lot was contracted out. Some claim it is cheaper, but I don't see it. But then people don't complain about civilian jobs from the military nearly as much as they complain about troop levels. The States do doubt love the contractors instead of troops, they get to collect taxes from the contractors, not to mention upping employment numbers.
    I think it's cheaper for simple fact that medical care and retirement isn't in the equation. I know contractors make bank, especially in country, but I guess the gov't has to make it competitive if they're not offering benefits.
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