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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I said, nor is it true. There are women who can kick your ass at each event in a PFT. You are making broad generalizations that are incomplete at best.
    Is that why they can't perform on equal grounds with men in the field? Remember, its been tried and it failed.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Not being in the military I am not sure if when one signs up if the duties assigned can be drastically changed during the career in the military.

    If one can be a drone pilot and remain a drone pilot for the lenght of ones duty physical standards beyond being able to stay awake is meaningless to the job. But being a Spec Force member requires high physical standards for the safety of the person and the people that person works with. In that case the standards should be strictly enforced
    Marines are all trained as combat personnel - at least they used to be. Any extra rolls they have are just that, extra. My brother was a radio operator and had to carry not only the standard pack with rifle but the radio pack as well.

    I can see what you're saying with respect to the Army, Navy, and Air Force but the Marines are a different story.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Other: Women have no damned business being in the military in the first place. I won't denigrate the service of anyone who served honorably, but allowing women into the military was a mistake and the more direct combatant roles we allow them to play, the bigger a mistake it's going to be.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    View my other thread on this. You can pass, but you wouldn't be competitive for promotion. That's my issue with this. Females, politicians, etc don't want to see a bunch of E-2 to E-3 females running around that can't get promoted. Physical fitness plays a HUGE role, at least in the Marine Corps, towards promotion. If females were on the same scale, they could meet minimum standard. But that's about as far as it would get. They would all be passed by for promotions over and over and start complaining about the "inequality" of being led by men all of the time.
    You're positively correct. In my previous unit (173rd ABN), you had to have 270 out of 300 in order to hold a leadership position, and if you dropped below that you were relieved. Airborne has the mentality that our leaders should be the hardest mother ****ers in the unit, and the first out the plane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know, right? When I was in grade school, they expected more than that out of 6th graders in PE.

    Well, except maybe the running part.
    Well, passing and excelling are two completely different things. In most combat arms units, if you only pass, you're a piece of ****. You need to have a really competitive score to be respected in the slightest. Most women I knew in the army couldn't even pass by male standards, much less be competitive.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    In the poll I said "other" because it simply is not reasonable to expect women to have the same physical strength as men, but they do have a role in the less physically challenging aspects in the military.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If the standards are important to the task the member would be performing, then the standards should be the same for all involved
    This. As long as there's a good reason why the standards are set where they are, then they should be the same for everyone.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Well, passing and excelling are two completely different things. In most combat arms units, if you only pass, you're a piece of ****. You need to have a really competitive score to be respected in the slightest. Most women I knew in the army couldn't even pass by male standards, much less be competitive.
    Yeah, it's one thing to meet the bare minimum requirements and another to achieve perfect, or near perfect scores. Large gap. But it worked out in my favor when I went in. Not a whole lot of upper body strength going in to the Marines. Barely got in on the pull ups (I could run at a decent clip though). I was able to get very close to a perfect score by the time I left the Corps 5 years later.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I'm surprised. I thought the standards were higher.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know, right? When I was in grade school, they expected more than that out of 6th graders in PE.

    Well, except maybe the running part.
    For the marines the PFT is just the base. The Combat Fitness Test is where the rubber meets the road.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    In the poll I said "other" because it simply is not reasonable to expect women to have the same physical strength as men, but they do have a role in the less physically challenging aspects in the military.
    It's not about them being "as strong as men". A 120lb woman doing 40 pushups/chinups is not exerting the same strength as a 180lb man. However, because women are now going to be allowed in combat, if a man is required to be able to carry a 50lb pack, so should women. Situation dictates the need of a squad on patrol, etc. If you cut the weight that is able to be carried, you have to cut ammo and other essentials. This can be very bad.

    Through extended training, especially weights, women can meet very high standards of strength. The army actually did some testing. During a six month training period, they took a group of women and were able to get them to meet all the mens requirements. Two problems, besides required training time were noted, One was a decrease in "feminine appearance", something I don't think the army really cares about and the second problem was that some of the women experienced a decrease in body fat to the point they no longer had their monthly period, this can be bad for health.

    Besides physical standards, I also have to ask if women are going to required to have same/similar haircuts as men? Those military haircuts were developed through experience and are designed for safety and to reduce health problems with hair borne parasites when deployed in the field and unable to meet any reasonable personal hygiene.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Other: Women have no damned business being in the military in the first place. I won't denigrate the service of anyone who served honorably, but allowing women into the military was a mistake and the more direct combatant roles we allow them to play, the bigger a mistake it's going to be.
    That's nonsense and it's sexist. The Armed Forces needs cooks and laundry people too.

    Insensitive jerk.

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