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Thread: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hm. At 47 I'm pretty sure I could pass all the req's except the running part. I just don't have the wind for that anymore, and the knee injury doesn't help any.
    View my other thread on this. You can pass, but you wouldn't be competitive for promotion. That's my issue with this. Females, politicians, etc don't want to see a bunch of E-2 to E-3 females running around that can't get promoted. Physical fitness plays a HUGE role, at least in the Marine Corps, towards promotion. If females were on the same scale, they could meet minimum standard. But that's about as far as it would get. They would all be passed by for promotions over and over and start complaining about the "inequality" of being led by men all of the time.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, by this logic, you are acknowledging that women are less capable than men physically correct? For example, a perfect score on the Marine Corps 3 mile run is 18 min for males, 21 for females. So you're saying that at their peaks, men are a half mile better than women. Or, according to pullups, maximum is 20 for men, 8 for women. So women are less than half as capable as men in upper body strength. Is this a correct assertion?
    That is not what I said, no. What is the case is that average level of fitness is different between men and women. FOR is the to measure overall fitness. Therefore it would actually fail to do what it is intended to do if the same raw requirements where had by both sexes. FOR is not designed nor intended to measure capability to do any job.

    Edit: Change FOR to PFT in the above. On kindle and autocomplete hates me.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I said, no. What is the case is that average level of fitness is different between men and women. FOR is the to measure overall fitness. Therefore it would actually fail to do what it is intended to do if the same raw requirements where had by both sexes. FOR is not designed nor intended to measure capability to do any job.
    Exactly, it is different ie women can't do as much. If you want to go the specific capability route, view the standards for the Combat Fitness Test for us. This is much more accurate for measuring how women would perform in an combat MOS. That standard is even more skewed than the PFT. I'm sorry Redress, but any argument saying that women are as physically capable as men has mountains of science and studies to refute it. Heck, the standards the military puts forth for it's physical fitness standards are based upon science and research themselves.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    I'm surprised. I thought the standards were higher.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Exactly, it is different ie women can't do as much. If you want to go the specific capability route, view the standards for the Combat Fitness Test for us. This is much more accurate for measuring how women would perform in an combat MOS. That standard is even more skewed than the PFT. I'm sorry Redress, but any argument saying that women are as physically capable as men has mountains of science and studies to refute it. Heck, the standards the military puts forth for it's physical fitness standards are based upon science and research themselves.
    That is not what I said, nor is it true. There are women who can kick your ass at each event in a PFT. You are making broad generalizations that are incomplete at best.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Explain further please. I think I know where you're going with this but I want to make sure.
    Not being in the military I am not sure if when one signs up if the duties assigned can be drastically changed during the career in the military.

    If one can be a drone pilot and remain a drone pilot for the lenght of ones duty physical standards beyond being able to stay awake is meaningless to the job. But being a Spec Force member requires high physical standards for the safety of the person and the people that person works with. In that case the standards should be strictly enforced
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I'm surprised. I thought the standards were higher.
    I know, right? When I was in grade school, they expected more than that out of 6th graders in PE.

    Well, except maybe the running part.

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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know, right? When I was in grade school, they expected more than that out of 6th graders in PE.

    Well, except maybe the running part.

    Yeah, the running part is the only thing I might not be able to do (though I'm sure I could train for it).

    Women should have no trouble with these requirements.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know, right? When I was in grade school, they expected more than that out of 6th graders in PE.

    Well, except maybe the running part.
    It seems like every day it comes up how expectations of people were higher when we were younger and expectations from people were lower.
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    Re: Physical Fitness Standards in the Military

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Should females be required to meet the same physical fitness standards as males? The difference in standards is astounding, no matter what service's standards you look at. This is especially true of the Marine Corps and Army standards though. Below are links to all 4 branches of the military's physical fitness standards.

    Marine Physical Fitness | Marine Initial Strength Test | Marines.com
    APFT : Army Physical Fitness Test | Army.com
    Air Force BMT Physical Fitness Test - Military Fitness - Military.com
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    Yes women should be held to the same physical standards as men. If a 17-21 year old man has to do 42 push ups to get a 60% on the APFT, then so should a 17-21 year old woman and those push ups should be the same exact quality. Standards should not be dumbed down just to get more women in the military,especially now since they are going to allow women into combat MOS's.
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