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  • Alot, secular decisions based on morality will reflect in the people that follow the law

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  • Religion is fine, but should be used minimally in secular decisions

    15 60.00%
  • Religion should be strictly controled/banned

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    You cannot make laws because you think that all of society should follow your religious values. You have to consider what it said in the quote. Pierre Trudeau was a religious person, educated at religious schools, and went to church but he did not let it influence his governing.
    I'm not accepting that rationale. He may not have made a religious argument, but what he saw as proper, valid, where he should lead had to be influenced by his religious beliefs. I'm questioning whether it is possible to separate belief from the person.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not accepting that rationale. He may not have made a religious argument, but what he saw as proper, valid, where he should lead had to be influenced by his religious beliefs. I'm questioning whether it is possible to separate belief from the person.
    It is not possible to separate belief from the person but is possible for a person to separate belief form legislation.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    It is not possible to separate belief from the person but is possible for a person to separate belief form legislation.
    I suspect only superficially. At the core, there are lines a person will defend and do so largely due to their beliefs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    i voted "Religion is fine, but should be used minimally in secular decisions" of course

    a persons religion is always going to be a part of them but anybody thats incapable of putting a good amount of separation between the two would make a horrible politician.

    They could never get my vote because that fact is they would prove they have no understanding what america is about and how it works. They would be exactly who you dont want in office.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    In a representative form of government, if the people of that society have strong faith based convictions then laws should reflect those convictions.

    I also happen to personally think the Judeo/Christian value system serves any society well including the heritage of America IF AND WHEN it has been truly followed and not replaced with something else while only keeping the Christian name. Counterfeit Christianity has been both unfortunate and a paradoxical blessing at the same time. On the unfortunate side, much wrong has been done in the name of Christianity when God had nothing to do with it and in many cases the Bible condemns it but causing many who are unfamiliar with the Bible to erroneously think whatever wrong there was must be what true Christianity is about.
    That may work if you are a Christian. It is or can be oppressive to some degree if you are not a Christian.










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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And laws made by our legislature should be based on objective evidence and rational argument. Religion offers neither. No amount of faith will make a law banning the mixing of wool and linen a law that the US can pass. It's fine if your morality comes from religion, but ideas about morality aren't enough to be the basis for a law in this country.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    If a politician states he is a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or whatever, he is presenting a platform of his basic moral beliefs. If he is devoutly any religion, he betrays his susceptibility to brainwashing and is instantly an unsuitable candidate. Good morals would be wonderful in politicians, but that has to be an oxymoron.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If a politician states he is a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or whatever, he is presenting a platform of his basic moral beliefs.
    That is simply not true because the "basic moral beliefs" of individuals within those various groups varies widely.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That may work if you are a Christian. It is or can be oppressive to some degree if you are not a Christian.

    A few examples? I already understand the gay rights argument so maybe other examples.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A few examples? I already understand the gay rights argument so maybe other examples.
    divorce
    marriage
    sex
    gay rights
    womans rights
    science
    worship false gods

    etc etc

    see what you have to remember is, what are christian values/rules/laws.

    are you basing your statement off of what your OPINION of them are or are you basing it of of the laws/rules/values of the BIBLE.

    If our laws reflected the bible we are no longer what America is supposed to be, we are no longer a free country.

    So yes depending on how far you take it, it could be SUPER oppressive.

    Im christian, i certainly dont want the government that way.
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