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  • Religion is fine, but should be used minimally in secular decisions

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    I completely believe in a full separation of church and state. I find religion to negatively effect proper decision making. Not only that, but the United States is full of religion. We have so many different faiths that it is not right to put one in front of the other. I also don't believe in dictating morality. I believe we should make sure people don't infringe on the liberties of others (which would include murder, stealing, extortion, etc.).
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    If you are religious leave it at the door, you live in a world where everyone has different beliefs. It has no place in government which should always be secular.
    "What is considered sinful in one of the great religions to which citizens belong isn't necessarily sinful in the others. Criminal law therefore cannot be based on the notion of sin; it is crimes that it must define." - Pierre Trudeau
    The question is whether that is really possible or not. Don't my beliefs inform my decisions?

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The question is whether that is really possible or not. Don't my beliefs inform my decisions?
    You cannot make laws because you think that all of society should follow your religious values. You have to consider what it said in the quote. Pierre Trudeau was a religious person, educated at religious schools, and went to church but he did not let it influence his governing.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    If you are religious leave it at the door, you live in a world where everyone has different beliefs. It has no place in government which should always be secular.
    "What is considered sinful in one of the great religions to which citizens belong isn't necessarily sinful in the others. Criminal law therefore cannot be based on the notion of sin; it is crimes that it must define." - Pierre Trudeau
    So, if someone doesn't support a war because their religious faith states that it is wrong should they not vote or support a pacifist position? What about other issues? Religion shapes a person's beliefs and will shape their politics. Everyone does have different beliefs, but that doesn't mean that certain people with certain beliefs need to leave theirs at the door because they are based on religion and not on an atheistic philosophy or secular philosophy.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, if someone doesn't support a war because their religious faith states that it is wrong should they not vote or support a pacifist position? What about other issues? Religion shapes a person's beliefs and will shape their politics. Everyone does have different beliefs, but that doesn't mean that certain people with certain beliefs need to leave theirs at the door because they are based on religion and not on an atheistic philosophy or secular philosophy.
    See above you must take other religious views into consideration.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    In a representative form of government, if the people of that society have strong faith based convictions then laws should reflect those convictions.

    I also happen to personally think the Judeo/Christian value system serves any society well including the heritage of America IF AND WHEN it has been truly followed and not replaced with something else while only keeping the Christian name. Counterfeit Christianity has been both unfortunate and a paradoxical blessing at the same time. On the unfortunate side, much wrong has been done in the name of Christianity when God had nothing to do with it and in many cases the Bible condemns it but causing many who are unfamiliar with the Bible to erroneously think whatever wrong there was must be what true Christianity is about.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    See above you must take other religious views into consideration.
    No you don't, you can respect someone else's religious views but you don't have to take them into consideration when you make up your own mind about an issue or when you vote. I'm not Hindu, I can respect someone's Hindu faith but I'm not going to let a faith that I do not believe is true shape my personal beliefs, votes, and decisions when politics is concerned.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    In a representative form of government, if the people of that society have strong faith based convictions then laws should reflect those convictions.

    I also happen to personally think the Judeo/Christian value system serves any society well including the heritage of America IF AND WHEN it has been truly followed and not replaced with something else while only keeping the Christian name. Counterfeit Christianity has been both unfortunate and a paradoxical blessing at the same time. On the unfortunate side, much wrong has been done in the name of Christianity when God had nothing to do with it and in many cases the Bible condemns it but causing many who are unfamiliar with the Bible to erroneously think whatever wrong there was must be what true Christianity is about.
    I'm going to have to disagree about Judeo/Christian value system. Though a lot of it is admirable...a lot more of it is bigoted and discriminatory towards certain groups of people. It is those values that have led to America's history of suppressing one group of people.

    The Bible is a book filled with bigotry among other asinine notions. I respect a lot of the morals of not killing, stealing, etc...but I take exception with others like the entire book of Leviticus.

    I don't think the Bible should be used to direct the country....I think the Constitution should be used for that, but we've strayed away from that.
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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No you don't, you can respect someone else's religious views but you don't have to take them into consideration when you make up your own mind about an issue or when you vote. I'm not Hindu, I can respect someone's Hindu faith but I'm not going to let a faith that I do not believe is true shape my personal beliefs, votes, and decisions when politics is concerned.
    That's fine but you live a society where people do not believe the same things you do, you have to forget your own religious ideals and think about society, abortion is an example of this. You may be against abortion for religious reasons but you still vote for it because you think about the greater society and the people you represent.

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    Re: How much religion should exist in politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That's fine but you live a society where people do not believe the same things you do, you have to forget your own religious ideals and think about society, abortion is an example of this. You may be against abortion for religious reasons but you still vote for it because you think about the greater society and the people you represent.
    What if what I believe is best for society is also what I believe religiously? What if I believe that my religious values and morals are absolute and are what is best for everyone? What if someone else disagrees with me and believes that their morals and values are better than mine? What is the difference if someone is opposed to abortion for religious reasons and because apart from religion they believe that it is also best for society? What if someone was for abortion due to religious reasons? When given a ballot you are allowed to vote and make decisions based on whatever belief over whatever decision you want. Someone can vote based on their racist beliefs by only casting a vote for the white guy or only voting for the black guy solely due to racial preference. When the votes are cast they don't ask why you voted, they don't ask if you've educated yourself on an issue and they don't screen to make sure none of the votes cast had any kind of religious beliefs influencing the decision making. When an issue is put on the table you can make a decision on the issue for any reason and that vote is just as much valid as someone who came to the same conclusion or a different conclusion from you using a different worldview.
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