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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    1860-1880: Democrats lost the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections.
    1932-1948: Republicans lost popular vote in all 5 elections.
    1968-1988: Democrats lost popular vote in 5 of 6 elections, including 4 heavy landslides.

    And yet here both parties are, still legitimately competitive year in and year out.
    I have three words for you. Demographics, democraphics, and demographics. The Republicans continue to lose the minority vote by larger and larger margins and minority voters as a percentage of the electorate grow larger and larger. As long as the TeaPublicans are the party of opposition, that trend will continue. The only hopes the TeaPublicans have is to increase their voter suppression efforts, which failed miserably in spite of their best efforts this time, or to change the rules.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I have three words for you. Demographics, democraphics, and demographics. The Republicans continue to lose the minority vote by larger and larger margins and minority voters as a percentage of the electorate grow larger and larger. As long as the TeaPublicans are the party of opposition, that trend will continue. The only hopes the TeaPublicans have is to increase their voter suppression efforts, which failed miserably in spite of their best efforts this time, or to change the rules.
    Demographics caused those other three steaks as well. The party will adjust to the changing demographics just as it always has.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Doubtful - unless you can describe to me how the TeaPublicans, who are anti minority and anti gay and anti immigrants, are going to adjust to the demographics. They can't. It's an impossibility. If they adjust, they're no longer TeaPublicans.

    and I would disagree with you that the other streaks were caused by demographics. They were caused by policy. The Republicans dominated from 1968 on because the Democrats lost the South with the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Doubtful - unless you can describe to me how the TeaPublicans, who are anti minority and anti gay and anti immigrants, are going to adjust to the demographics. They can't. It's an impossibility. If they adjust, they're no longer TeaPublicans.

    and I would disagree with you that the other streaks were caused by demographics. They were caused by policy. The Republicans dominated from 1968 on because the Democrats lost the South with the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
    Well policy caused certain demographic groups to vote one way or another just as they do now. Demographics are shifting, accordingly Republicans will change their policy to remain competitive. Republicans don't have to completely change what they are, as their fiscal policies remain, relatively popular.

    And Republicans are attempting to adjust already by playing down social issues. Some of them are relenting on the hardline immigration policies they have supported in the past. Believe me, it will happen. The Democrats will not become the dominant party. Although you should be happy with the position they are in right now, it isn't going to last forever, or even for the next decade most likely.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Several battleground states have Republican parties firmly in control of the state congress's are deciding, proposing legislation to not award all the EC votes to the winner but by congressional district.

    The issues that I see with this new development

    • Gerrymandering of districts has made a mockery of fairness in the states.
    • Will create a constitutional crisis at some point and violence in the streets.



    How would this effect the election? I'll let someone else post all the numbers. But, here's an example from what the Republican senate did in Virgina. Obama won the election in the state, But due to gerrymandering, Romeny would have been given 9 EC votes and Obama 4 EC votes.
    I just verified this is being worked on in my state as we speak; assigning future Electoral College delegates to each voter's specific congressional district. Not sure how the extra 2 delegate assignments will be handled.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I just verified this is being worked on in my state as we speak; assigning future Electoral College delegates to each voter's specific congressional district. Not sure how the extra 2 delegate assignments will be handled.
    I believe those would go to the overall winner of the state, just like in Maine and Nebraska already.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Well policy caused certain demographic groups to vote one way or another just as they do now. Demographics are shifting, accordingly Republicans will change their policy to remain competitive. Republicans don't have to completely change what they are, as their fiscal policies remain, relatively popular.

    And Republicans are attempting to adjust already by playing down social issues. Some of them are relenting on the hardline immigration policies they have supported in the past. Believe me, it will happen. The Democrats will not become the dominant party. Although you should be happy with the position they are in right now, it isn't going to last forever, or even for the next decade most likely.
    I am absolutely delighted by the position the TeaPublicans find themselves in today, because it will only continue until - like the Whigs - they wither away to be replaced by something else. Oh, they'll hang on in places like the south and in the mostly all-white midwest for a while. They may even continue to have success in off-year elections. But as a national party capable of winning a Presidential election and actually governing, they're done.

    They lack both the balls and the intelligence to change.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I just verified this is being worked on in my state as we speak; assigning future Electoral College delegates to each voter's specific congressional district. Not sure how the extra 2 delegate assignments will be handled.
    Let me guess - you live in a state with a Republican governor, Republican House and Senate, and a state that was won by Obama in the popular vote. Go figure!
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I am absolutely delighted by the position the TeaPublicans find themselves in today, because it will only continue until - like the Whigs - they wither away to be replaced by something else. Oh, they'll hang on in places like the south and in the mostly all-white midwest for a while. They may even continue to have success in off-year elections. But as a national party capable of winning a Presidential election and actually governing, they're done.

    They lack both the balls and the intelligence to change.
    I think you're wrong. There have been plenty of points during the last few years where Republicans could've won a national election. There is just about a zero percent chance the Republicans fade away and are replaced by something else.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Let me guess - you live in a state with a Republican governor, Republican House and Senate, and a state that was won by Obama in the popular vote. Go figure!
    Yep.

    I'm really torn. I don't like these kind of tricks but I also wasn't happy to hear the news that ladies will now being sent to the front lines in military combat. What troubles me more; policies I don't like or political tactics I don't like?

    I also don't think for a minute this GOP move has anything at all to do with a commitment to the principle of doing the right thing. If the parties were reversed I'm willing to bet the same GOP trying to change the rules in their favor would be screaming bloody murder if te democrats tried what they're pulling. I also think if the parties were reversed and the democrats were facing national office extinction, they might try the same stunt. The difference for me is I EXPECT the GOP to take the high road and do the right and moral thing. I don't expect the same of the democrats. Being the party of integrity, morality, etc. is why I joined the GOP in the first place. Now it seems to be about keeping millionaires as rich possible through tax policy, consumer exploitation, wage and benefits suppression, deregulation and shipping jobs to the third world. Then justifying disturbing political tactics by saying the democrats are just as unethical so it's fair.
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