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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So nobody knows how their votes will be allocated until they know how everybody else's votes will be allocated. Sounds like an endless loop to me. Bet the leftist wish they had been okay with people having ID's now.....
    It's not really much of a mystery if x number of states pass laws that allow for proportional voting in their state. It would be business as usual until all states agree to the method.

    I have no idea what ID's have to do with anything. You're not fooling anyone and neither is the Republican party. You want to ensure you have a place in future elections and it's become apparent that those voting Republican are becoming a minorty for the foreseeable future. Wrap your selves in the guise of liberty but use any method possible to win.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem with the straight numbers is that a fair percentage of those residents in the Urban areas are Takers rather than Providers, Paschendale. You know, the people I don't believe should be given Citizenship, nevermind the Right to Vote.
    That's bull**** dude. The majority of wealth in the US is centered around urban areas. Go figure...the majority of states with large urban areas are net givers in federal funding and more rural states (barring those with lots of mineral wealth) are net federal takers.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    BTW, under the US Constitution's Electoral College system the people have no federally recognized role in electing the President. If they wanted to, each state could scrap voting for President and allow their state's Electoral College delegates to be chosen by the state's legislature or hand-picked by their Governor. In fact if I understand the history corrected, initially it was state legislatures that voted for President and not the people. It was only later that all the states decided to hold Presidential elections and since it was a state level change, no modification to the US Constitution was needed.
    Personally, I would probably prefer to see the State Legislatures and/or Governors chose the Electors from that state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    That said, people today want the right to vote for President and if GOP controlled states make changes that are seen as undermining their will, I'd be willing to bet they won't be GOP controlled states for long, state constitutional amendments opposing any future stacking of the deck and a possible elimination of the Elector College.
    A very large percentage of US Citizens don't even deserve to BE US Citizens at this point in history; so what they want is really immaterial to me.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's bull**** dude. The majority of wealth in the US is centered around urban areas. Go figure...the majority of states with large urban areas are net givers in federal funding and more rural states (barring those with lots of mineral wealth) are net federal takers.
    Not so fast there. Any truth to your statement is solely because urban areas are the collection and distribution points for what is produced in rural areas. They are the financial centers. But without the production and resources of the rural folks, the urban dries up and becomes a creature of permanent credit. Oh wait...

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's bull**** dude. The majority of wealth in the US is centered around urban areas. Go figure...the majority of states with large urban areas are net givers in federal funding and more rural states (barring those with lots of mineral wealth) are net federal takers.
    The financial wealth of the nation may be in the Urban Centers but from what I've seen of the major cities I've been in you couldn't pay me enough money to live in any of them. Boston, NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Minneapolis, etc.... There isn't enough money in the world to get me to live in those sh*t-holes full of worthless scum. There is also significant POVERTY in every major American city.

    As for the rural states being takers..... I agree that shouldn't be so; because the Government shouldn't be giving money to people or businesses. A lot of that problem has come from people assuming they need or should have a higher lifestyle than is really necessary.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's not really much of a mystery if x number of states pass laws that allow for proportional voting in their state. It would be business as usual until all states agree to the method.

    I have no idea what ID's have to do with anything. You're not fooling anyone and neither is the Republican party. You want to ensure you have a place in future elections and it's become apparent that those voting Republican are becoming a minorty for the foreseeable future. Wrap your selves in the guise of liberty but use any method possible to win.
    You are not fooling anybody either. You are just mad the leftist's manipulation of the system is being countered by GOP manipulation. If you took the time to remove your partisan blinders, you would see that the allocation by CD discourages safe-seat gerrymandering over time because both sides would want all CD's to be in play.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    You are not fooling anybody either. You are just mad the leftist's manipulation of the system is being countered by GOP manipulation. If you took the time to remove your partisan blinders, you would see that the allocation by CD discourages safe-seat gerrymandering over time because both sides would want all CD's to be in play.
    No it doesn't. It's a horrible idea. It makes CD's the end all be all of all elections. It makes the election every 10 years the most important election in a decade since that's when the census is taken and districts are redrawn. The person with the most CD's draws the CD's. There's absolutely no discouragement of drawing non-safe districts...what you're stating is just not true. You would want to create as many safe districts a possible so that you are the one redrawing districts.

    Lines on a map trump everything. People are alread iffy about the electorial college vs popular vote but if CD's elected the President, Obama would of had over 5 million more votes than Romney and lost the election in a landslide!
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The financial wealth of the nation may be in the Urban Centers but from what I've seen of the major cities I've been in you couldn't pay me enough money to live in any of them. Boston, NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Minneapolis, etc.... There isn't enough money in the world to get me to live in those sh*t-holes full of worthless scum. There is also significant POVERTY in every major American city.

    As for the rural states being takers..... I agree that shouldn't be so; because the Government shouldn't be giving money to people or businesses. A lot of that problem has come from people assuming they need or should have a higher lifestyle than is really necessary.
    Have you ever been to Denver? I've never been ot Minneapolis or Houston but Denver is gorgeous. It's a very clean nice city.

    We've had a conversation on our view of government before and we're pretty set in our ways but I don't agree with you on cities being **** holes.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No it doesn't. It's a horrible idea. It makes CD's the end all be all of all elections. It makes the election every 10 years the most important election in a decade since that's when the census is taken and districts are redrawn. The person with the most CD's draws the CD's. There's absolutely no discouragement of drawing non-safe districts...what you're stating is just not true. You would want to create as many safe districts a possible so that you are the one redrawing districts.

    Lines on a map trump everything. People are alread iffy about the electorial college vs popular vote but if CD's elected the President, Obama would of had over 5 million more votes than Romney and lost the election in a landslide!
    I guess it would be misused if left in democratic hands with all that projecting. In case you have not noticed, Virginia has two democratic senators, went for Obama, and has a GOP controlled state, and has never had a voting rights act violation/rejection on one of their proposed election changes. Not everyone is as devious as you--some people actually are not so dyed in the wool partisan.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not so fast there. Any truth to your statement is solely because urban areas are the collection and distribution points for what is produced in rural areas. They are the financial centers. But without the production and resources of the rural folks, the urban dries up and becomes a creature of permanent credit. Oh wait...
    That's not true at all. Except for farming or mining...which the former needs huge tracts of land and last mentioned is based on where it is not where it is most efficient for production that's just not true.

    People go to places for jobs...and the reason they have traveled over time to urban areas is to seek jobs. If there were jobs in rural areas they would no longer be rural! Plants have been built if former small town and have seen huge population booms.

    . For example Huntville Alabama was a town in the middle of nowhere. A defense contractor built a plant and R&D firm and the poulation increased 94% in a 10 yera period. A toyota plan was added and the population has doubled in 10 years. Huntville Alabama is soon to be an urban area because people flock there for jobs not because it was already urban.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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