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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Personally, putting the gerrymandering (which both parties do) aside, I think this is an excellent idea. There have been at least two states (Maine being one of them) that do something like this already. Honestly, I think this puts the power much more back in the hands of The People while maintaing the Constitutionally prescribed system. Give the two "Congressional" electoral votes to the overall winner in the state and then base the "Representative" electoral votes on how that individual district voted. In doing so, you reduce the power of the Urban centers to overwhelm the Rural areas simply due to population density.
    BTW, under the US Constitution's Electoral College system the people have no federally recognized role in electing the President. If they wanted to, each state could scrap voting for President and allow their state's Electoral College delegates to be chosen by the state's legislature or hand-picked by their Governor. In fact if I understand the history corrected, initially it was state legislatures that voted for President and not the people. It was only later that all the states decided to hold Presidential elections and since it was a state level change, no modification to the US Constitution was needed.

    That said, people today want the right to vote for President and if GOP controlled states make changes that are seen as undermining their will, I'd be willing to bet they won't be GOP controlled states for long, state constitutional amendments opposing any future stacking of the deck and a possible elimination of the Elector College.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True. However you CAN (and the Democrats have made a living over the last 40 years) by appealing to the interests of the LARGE URBAN AREA Voters over those of the rest of the country. We are no longer a Government of the citizenry. We are a Government of the Large Cities. New York, Boston, Dallas, Los Angeles, etc.... have more power than the rest of the country combined simply due to the population density they have.
    Which would only work if there were more urban voters than rural ones. Oh wait, there are. Around 60% of the people in this country live in cities. I already showed that New York was more urban than rural. Let's look at Missouri. 70% of Missouri lives in urban areas. Nearly half of the state lives in the greater St. Louis area. There are more urban Americans than rural ones, and the gap is widening. So appealing to the majority of Americans is somehow a dirty tactic now, is it?
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Personally, putting the gerrymandering (which both parties do) aside, I think this is an excellent idea. There have been at least two states (Maine being one of them) that do something like this already. Honestly, I think this puts the power much more back in the hands of The People while maintaing the Constitutionally prescribed system. Give the two "Congressional" electoral votes to the overall winner in the state and then base the "Representative" electoral votes on how that individual district voted. In doing so, you reduce the power of the Urban centers to overwhelm the Rural areas simply due to population density.
    Contradictory !
    Or "The People" is to mean the property owners ??
    And, if the "Urban Centers" have more people, should they not as well have more votes ?
    If the people are to have the power, they must have the votes - and this is best done via a direct vote and NOTHING more....No more colleges, no more gerrymandering, and no more un-necessary complications.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Which would only work if there were more urban voters than rural ones. Oh wait, there are. Around 60% of the people in this country live in cities. I already showed that New York was more urban than rural. Let's look at Missouri. 70% of Missouri lives in urban areas. Nearly half of the state lives in the greater St. Louis area. There are more urban Americans than rural ones, and the gap is widening. So appealing to the majority of Americans is somehow a dirty tactic now, is it?
    And thus you have the problem, it's only going to get worse from here. Used to be we could ignore the festering crapholes and be glad those who wanted to live like that were all concentrated in one place out of sight. Now they've crept out and swallowed everything. The urbanization of this country will be the death of this country.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because the states have no power to create a national vote. It is up to the states, not the feds, to determine how they do it. Pesty old Constitution strikes again.
    Republican controlled states can create a clause electorial votes are proportioned based on popular votes if X amount of states adhere to the view. It's something that has been discussed for awhile. Of course...go figure Republicans are only concerned with proportioning electorial votes in states that are purple or vote primarily Democrat. Surely no ulterior motives there!
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And thus you have the problem, it's only going to get worse from here. Used to be we could ignore the festering crapholes and be glad those who wanted to live like that were all concentrated in one place out of sight. Now they've crept out and swallowed everything. The urbanization of this country will be the death of this country.
    Yes...those festering crapholes that consist of the majority of wealth created in this country. If only this country still consisted of yeoman farmers and small towns.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Republican controlled states can create a clause electorial votes are proportioned based on popular votes if X amount of states adhere to the view. It's something that has been discussed for awhile. Of course...go figure Republicans are only concerned with proportioning electorial votes in states that are purple or vote primarily Democrat. Surely no ulterior motives there!
    So nobody knows how their votes will be allocated until they know how everybody else's votes will be allocated. Sounds like an endless loop to me. Bet the leftist wish they had been okay with people having ID's now.....

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Several battleground states have Republican parties firmly in control of the state congress's are deciding, proposing legislation to not award all the EC votes to the winner but by congressional district.

    The issues that I see with this new development

    • Gerrymandering of districts has made a mockery of fairness in the states.
    • Will create a constitutional crisis at some point and violence in the streets.



    How would this effect the election? I'll let someone else post all the numbers. But, here's an example from what the Republican senate did in Virgina. Obama won the election in the state, But due to gerrymandering, Romeny would have been given 9 EC votes and Obama 4 EC votes.
    Actaually Maine and Nebraska already do this. I would prefer it actually with a twist. Take a look at how Iowa does their redistricting. It quite inovative and very fair and quite frankly ought to be the model that should be followed by all the states.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...2zxthH5Lg40ErQ

    If my state of California redistricted like Iowa does then I would be just fine with allocating elctorial votes according to district and award the overall winner the two congresional electorial votes. In fact I would prefer the system.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Contradictory! Or "The People" is to mean the property owners??
    That would work for me, even though it would disqualify me as a voter. Personally, I do believe that we need to get away from this idea that everyone should be allowed to vote. Allowing the Masses to vote is among the things that has been destoying this country for decades.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And, if the "Urban Centers" have more people, should they not as well have more votes ?
    Largely because the Urban Centers tend to have a higher population of people who are TAKERS than the rest of the country. If you don't believe me, then why is it that I see plenty of panhandlers and bums in Worcester, Boston, and Springfield, MA but almost none in the rural areas of the state? We need to get these TAKERS off the voting rolls (and citizenship rolls) so far as I'm concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    If the people are to have the power, they must have the votes - and this is best done via a direct vote and NOTHING more....No more colleges, no more gerrymandering, and no more un-necessary complications.
    That all depends on how you define "The People". In my mind The People are the Providers, not the Takers. Always have been and always will be.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Which would only work if there were more urban voters than rural ones. Oh wait, there are. Around 60% of the people in this country live in cities. I already showed that New York was more urban than rural. Let's look at Missouri. 70% of Missouri lives in urban areas. Nearly half of the state lives in the greater St. Louis area. There are more urban Americans than rural ones, and the gap is widening. So appealing to the majority of Americans is somehow a dirty tactic now, is it?
    The problem with the straight numbers is that a fair percentage of those residents in the Urban areas are Takers rather than Providers, Paschendale. You know, the people I don't believe should be given Citizenship, nevermind the Right to Vote.

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