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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sure it would, each CD is supposed to be close to the same size population wise except those couple really sparse states like wyoming. It is a closer step than winner take all based on a bigger chunk of geography we call a state.
    It's not really a step closer. The inherent gerrymandering process we have makes it not only possible, but rather unlikely for a candidate to win the Presidential election with less than 45% of the vote with this system, if one party has a really good year in the census elections. This would be exceedingly unlikely in the current system.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Several battleground states have Republican parties firmly in control of the state congress's are deciding, proposing legislation to not award all the EC votes to the winner but by congressional district.

    The issues that I see with this new development

    • Gerrymandering of districts has made a mockery of fairness in the states.
    • Will create a constitutional crisis at some point and violence in the streets.



    How would this effect the election? I'll let someone else post all the numbers. But, here's an example from what the Republican senate did in Virgina. Obama won the election in the state, But due to gerrymandering, Romeny would have been given 9 EC votes and Obama 4 EC votes.

    If true I wouldn't call it "trying to rig" a presidential election but rather "trying to win" a presidential election. The reality is the GOP simply doesn't have the numbers anymore to win the White House. 2012 was our best chance demographically but it wasn't meant to be. From what I've heard the median age of a conservative media follower is mid to late 60s (white male). The GOP in the past 2 to 4 years has become expert at deeply offending large voting blocks:

    • Infamous GOP positions on the definition of rape
    • Associating the expression for a desire to mandate contraceptive coverage under a system where one's employer has all the control over healthcare of their employees with being sluts and porno actresses
    • Demonizing Hispanics with laws that presume any Hispanic might be here illegally so racially profile them all
    • Efforts to reduce black voter participation
    • Wanting to raise interest rates on student loans while at the state level also raising tuition at state universities and colleges giving the strong impression that the GOP is about helping the rich get richer by helping them keep American workers as unskilled and uneducated as possible and pitting them against cheap overseas labor markets while doing all they can to keep their taxes as low as possible and minimize the benefits they offer employees.


    The GOP has a lot of damage control to do and with rapidly growing segments of the very populations we have deeply offended, I personally doubt an image makeover would even be successful. Its possible that high ranking GOP leadership realizes this too and as a last ditch effort are planning to try to change how states with GOP control (for now) can stack the deck in their favor. My best guess is the public will get wind of these tactics and it'll backfire in our faces, which at a minimum would lead to incumbent Republicans being kicked out of office and possibly the elimination of the Electoral College to be replaced with a direct popular vote.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    If this crap (gerrymandering, and trying to rig elections.) continues or grows, we, the people will lose our democracy and our voting rights...and our nation...
    We need a better people and we need more to participate in politics.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Personally, putting the gerrymandering (which both parties do) aside, I think this is an excellent idea. There have been at least two states (Maine being one of them) that do something like this already. Honestly, I think this puts the power much more back in the hands of The People while maintaing the Constitutionally prescribed system. Give the two "Congressional" electoral votes to the overall winner in the state and then base the "Representative" electoral votes on how that individual district voted. In doing so, you reduce the power of the Urban centers to overwhelm the Rural areas simply due to population density.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Rigging an election? I think their advocacy of voter ID laws is fairly close.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    letting politicians draw their own districts is insane. gerrymandering is a bipartisan problem nationwide.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Personally, putting the gerrymandering (which both parties do) aside, I think this is an excellent idea. There have been at least two states (Maine being one of them) that do something like this already. Honestly, I think this puts the power much more back in the hands of The People while maintaing the Constitutionally prescribed system. Give the two "Congressional" electoral votes to the overall winner in the state and then base the "Representative" electoral votes on how that individual district voted. In doing so, you reduce the power of the Urban centers to overwhelm the Rural areas simply due to population density.
    So, essentially, you want give make the votes of those living in rural areas count more than those living in urban areas.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Several battleground states have Republican parties firmly in control of the state congress's are deciding, proposing legislation to not award all the EC votes to the winner but by congressional district.

    The issues that I see with this new development

    • Gerrymandering of districts has made a mockery of fairness in the states.
    • Will create a constitutional crisis at some point and violence in the streets.



    How would this effect the election? I'll let someone else post all the numbers. But, here's an example from what the Republican senate did in Virgina. Obama won the election in the state, But due to gerrymandering, Romeny would have been given 9 EC votes and Obama 4 EC votes.
    Both sides are doing their damndest to rig any and all elections. It's not limited to one side of the Republocrats.
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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It's not really a step closer. The inherent gerrymandering process we have makes it not only possible, but rather unlikely for a candidate to win the Presidential election with less than 45% of the vote with this system, if one party has a really good year in the census elections. This would be exceedingly unlikely in the current system.
    It is call, redistricting. Gerrymandering is when there is a tortured effort to come up with districts that are clearly phony on a map. (gerrymander is a play on salamander, which is what one particular district in Massachusetts look like).

    There is also the assumption that based on party affiliation, state legislatures know how someone is going to vote. The reality is that to some degree, they do.

    States can decide how the allocation of their Electoral votes are decided. I like the 1 district, 1 vote method (with 2 statewide votes going to the state majority candidate) much more than the--Candidate A got the majority of the votes in the country, but our state voted in the majority for Candidate B. We agree to go along with the national majority and cast all our votes for Candidate B. That method truly is wrong.

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    Re: Are the Republicans trying to rig a presidential election?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So, essentially, you want give make the votes of those living in rural areas count more than those living in urban areas.
    No. What I want to do is to level the playing field. Let's take a low population density state like Maine (which already uses this system). The vast majority of Maine's population resides along the shoreline and the southern half of that shoreline to be more specific. There are two Congressional districts in Maine. If they were to do things the way that almost every other state does them, the Second Congressional Distric residents might as well not even vote for President, because the First District (where the vast majority of the population and urban centers are), would simply control the outcome no matter how the Second Distric votes. All this idea does is to re-level the playing field and give those Second District people's votes some weight again. It will force candidates to actually attempt to get votes from both the Urban AND the Rural voting bases.

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