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Who is Your Favorite Founding Father and WHY.....

Who is Your Favorite Founding Father and WHY?

  • Washington

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Adams

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Jerfferson

    Votes: 13 34.2%

  • Madison

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Ben Franklin

    Votes: 10 26.3%

  • other

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • Total voters
    38
Ben was a pimp.

Seriously though, a brilliant guy. A man who embodies moving on up in life.
 
zstep18 said:
He was a bit of a hypocrite, however :lol:
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He was, especially with the slavery issue. Considering, however, that nearly everyone was/is a product of their time he was pretty solid.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
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See no issue with the viewpoint of today's politicians on that matter.
 
Ever since I looked deep into politics...I've admired Jefferson and his principles of government. I know his contradictions with slavery and the Louisiana Purchase, but I've always been one to love the idea of small government, and individual liberty.
 
Ben Franklin, because he was a badass.
 
Tucker Case said:
Ben Franklin once kicked the **** out of a thousand ninjas with naught but a ball of twine and a lima bean.
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"If you would not be forgotten
As soon as you are dead and rotten,
Either write things worth reading,
Or do things worth the writing."

Said by the bad ass himself.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
With the whole slaves thing? Yeah, he could've played that better.

Nevertheless, this highlights a few of the major differences between Jefferson and today's politicians:

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You could also expand that argument to include other Founding Fathers and the real politik of the moment at which they were weak in the nation's capabilities, but that would be too nuanced for an internet image.
 
rocket88 said:
It's interesting that you choose men with divergent political views. Adams and Jefferson barely spoke to each other until later in life. They each felt that the other's views were antithetical to the whole idea of the United States.

It just seems like saying your favorite Presidents are Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
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The former yes the latter was a moron
 
rocket88 said:
It just seems like saying your favorite Presidents are Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
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Bush and Clinton weren't all that far apart politically speaking. Not nearly as diametrically opposed as Adams and Jefferson were. I'd actually say that both of them are far more Adams-like politically speaking, as neither of them were particularly Jeffersonian.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Jefferson. I agree with about 96.5% of his writings.
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WOW!!!!! I must admire your ability to place such a definitive number to that volume of writing!!!!!!!
 
And on the issue of admiring or liking founding fathers who were political rivals, My favorite founder is Madison, but a close second would be Hamilton (some would argue that these two were the brains behind Jefferson and Adams, respectively. Granted, Hamilton moved away from Adams during Adams' presidential campaign because he didn't think Adams was being his bitch enough :2razz:).

Politically speaking, I'm far more like Madison, but Hamilton has a lot of qualities I find admirable. And they acted like a intellectual checks and balances system of each other. Together, they guided the country down a middle course. They are the two people most responsible for the adoption of the constitution when they were allies together for the common good, but they became rivals when their respective visions came in conflict.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I actually had to round up a few decimal places. I figured 3 significant numbers was enough.
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How did you have to adjust the numbers when his writings changed their positions over such a long period of time?

Did you only judge the actual writings or did you take into consideration if the man himself lived up to what he wrote on paper?
 
haymarket said:
How did you have to adjust the numbers when his writings changed their positions over such a long period of time?

Did you only judge the actual writings or did you take into consideration if the man himself lived up to what he wrote on paper?
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I used a weighted averaging technique. The more important topics had a higher weight than the less important ones. It was a long and difficult calculation process, but I'd do anything for a random thread question.
 
zstep18 said:
Not only the the slave thing, but the fact that he advocated for states rights and a small, limited government, yet, as President he buys the Louisiana Purchase before even consulting Congress.
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You mean because he was trying to abolish the slave trade back in the 1760's is the slave thing or that when they are freed that they should be deported. The slave thing seems a bit vague.
 
Samuel Adams for his obvious contributions.
 
MMC said:
Well Washington made Whiskey and Beer too.....Just Sayin! ;)
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And he was also a surveyor!



However, I chose Jefferson, another surveyor. :D
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I actually had to round up a few decimal places. I figured 3 significant numbers was enough.
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Did you have to place that .5 in there when you located letters that seemed to come off as "full of **** Stoic" mode? :p
 
AreteCourage said:
When did Ben Franklin turn into Chuck Norris?
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Chuck Norris is just a reincarnated Benjamin Franklin. He traded his former intellect for even more physical prowess. America's rougher times needed a stronger protector, at the same time that he could be afforded time to pick up chicks (Franklin's true art).
 
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