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Thread: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    That is an unfair blanket statement about as diverse group of people. It sounds as stupid as people saying "the left."
    And yet time after time some hardcore right wingers flings out blanket statements in which you offer no reproach... please come back down off your high horse for a bit.

    Now blatant racism such as 'whites only' signs are gone but as another poster mentioned hiring bias still occurs. many HR types when tested claim they are not racist, and they probably are not, but they are bias to their own and can often exclude other types without thinking it bad or wrong.

    it won't be in your face racism, bigots have gotten trickier over the years, heads pivot before telling 'THAT' joke, etc. More than once I have heard the N word used to describe how a white man worked, "Man I get all the N work around here!" "They worked me like an N today!" and the old chestnut, "Who is the head N here?"

    We have seen where banks and lenders have discriminated against minorities in loans WITH the current laws on the books, i don't see it being 'better' if those laws were to be revoked. I don't see the marketplace as a good determiner of 'fair'. Quite simply many towns in the South had very successful dual economies, the whites only stores and the 'darkie' businesses. In many small towns around here if the Walmart did something draconian there would be little recourse. I imagine in a town with a 12% black population if their Walmart decided all blacks would be followed by a sales associate and/or strictly monitored by cameras and they put signs up to that affect. What would the 12% do? Drive 20+ miles to the nearest non-discriminatory store? Shop only at the far more limited Dollar General? Have other blacks mount boycotts and protests in front of stores in more diverse towns?

    We went through a very trying and violent time to stop just such practices many years ago, got it made law of the land so that every time some store manager comes up with a 'bright' idea like that it doesn't take huge protests and violence to correct stinkin' thinkin'.

    I'd be against ending the law, I'm more for allowing it to fade into cultural obsolescence, like no leaving your horse in the street after midnight.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its an entirely accurate comparison.
    No, its not. Owning slaves was about owning a person and in the process not respecting any of their rights or liberties. Owning a house for example and controlling access, use and sale of the house does not detail any of that. The people that do not own the house have no right to it while the owners have it.

    Property rights are not sufficient justification to use racism to violate the liberty of an individual.
    Yes, it is. Just because someone is black doesn't mean I can't tell them no if they desire to use my property.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, yes. If you own a restaurant and refuse to serve blacks (sell them cheeseburgers), you're violating their right not to be discriminated upon based on the color of their skin. You can piss and moan about it all you'd like, but I'm glad there are more "me's" in the world than "you's."

    Edit: Or do you believe, as some few do, that "all men are created equal" as long as they're white?
    So this right to not be discriminated against you admit is a positive right? Do you realize that makes it violation of rights to begin with? Nothing like a bit of coercion in our right declarations.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Can someone offer some legal definitions for Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity? I think many people have different views of what they mean and we end up debating each other based on incorrect notions. To be honest, I don't know the real definitions myself.

    I for one don't think a less qualified minority should be hired and/or promoted by force of law over a more qualified people of the majority. I also question it when very large employers have nearly all of their key people made up almost exclusively of non-minorities and just males. At the same time I also realize there are various forms of favoritism in various work places where decision makers voluntarily hire, promote and give raises to the less qualified person. Sometimes less qualified friends are hired and promoted over more qualified applicants who might be of a different race. Sometimes less qualified female employees who are in office romances with decision makers are hired, promoted and given raises over the more qualified person who might be a minority male. What then is the recourse and should there be other than if you don't like it, find another job?
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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So I can fire anybody I want for any reason I feel like? That doesn't bother you?
    Weird thats not what you described at all, guess thats what happens when one tries to paint a dishonest made up picture.
    of course not for any reason because your rights end at violating others, and thats the way it should be and im glad it is.

    I dont want laws ended that empower bigots, racist and misogynist and allow me and my fellow americans rights to be violated.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Weird thats not what you described at all, guess thats what happens when one tries to paint a dishonest made up picture.
    of course not for any reason because your rights end at violating others, and thats the way it should be and im glad it is.
    So the act of stopping the firing process is not violating my rights? How very interesting. I like how this right you guys have declared works. A bit nonsensical though.
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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, yes. If you own a restaurant and refuse to serve blacks (sell them cheeseburgers), you're violating their right not to be discriminated upon based on the color of their skin. You can piss and moan about it all you'd like, but I'm glad there are more "me's" in the world than "you's."

    Edit: Or do you believe, as some few do, that "all men are created equal" as long as they're white?
    I get that government intrusion because the restaurant selling the burgers is a public place. What I don't get is the intrusion you mention on private property sales. Don't get me wrong, I don't like it one bit that folks will refuse others solely based upon the color of their skin or whom they're married with. But I also don't like government intrusion on private property.

    If you've got a bit of land you should be able to sell it to who you wish, and that includes not selling it to someone for whatever your reason. The government doesn't constitutionally and shouldn't, have that reach.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And yet time after time some hardcore right wingers flings out blanket statements in which you offer no reproach... please come back down off your high horse for a bit.
    You have been here what? 9 months? And you have the nerve to act like you know every post I have made in 4 years? That you have gone through the over 13,000 posts I have made?

    When it is a debate I am in, yes I do rebuke blanket statements. Forgive me for not going throughout the forum and rebuking all for their blanket statements.

    You are the one that needs to get of a damn horse.

    ****ing moronic.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, yes. If you own a restaurant and refuse to serve blacks (sell them cheeseburgers), you're violating their right not to be discriminated upon based on the color of their skin.
    So you do believe we have the right to compel others to sell us a cheeseburger. Sorry, but no such right exists.

    Edit: Or do you believe, as some few do, that "all men are created equal" as long as they're white?
    Absolutely ridiculous behavior on your part. Shame on you.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I get that government intrusion because the restaurant selling the burgers is a public place.What I don't get is the intrusion you mention on private property sales. Don't get me wrong, I don't like it one bit that folks will refuse others solely based upon the color of their skin or whom they're married with. But I also don't like government intrusion on private property.
    A business open to the public is still private property.

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