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Thread: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    The answer to this question is immaterial. It doesn't matter if people will discriminate with their property or not. They have the right to do just that and to strip that ability away from property is essentially stripping away a large part of property rights. I do have the right to control access to property, use of my property, and yes, even sale of my property. If you don't like it, boo ****ing hoo. These laws need repealed as they are a breach of property rights.
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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The answer to this question is immaterial. It doesn't matter if people will discriminate with their property or not. They have the right to do just that and to strip that ability away from property is essentially stripping away a large part of property rights. I do have the right to control access to property, use of my property, and yes, even sale of my property. If you don't like it, boo ****ing hoo. These laws need repealed as they are a breach of property rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree those laws are still needed, and I think gay rights should be thrown into the mix. what should matter is qualifications for the job. Keep that focus, and there is no real minefield.
    If I don't want to hire someone I do have that right. Stop stripping rights because you want hired. I don't care what the person is, if someone says NO, they said no. Talk them out of it if you can, change cultural acceptance of the practice so its almost never practiced, but don't dare step on the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, brother. You're in the wrong decade.
    Hardly. Property don't just change because someone comes along and strips away all its meaning. Whoever controls the property is the owner of such property. It's pretty simple really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, brother. You're in the wrong decade.
    Decade? hell century, im just glad america is better than that, smarter than that on this issues. And in this case ours country believes in protecting eachother.
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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    I think you explained it very well. Maybe in another decade or two, these laws will be unnecessary and obsolete.

    For now, they really don't hurt anything. It's shameful that honor and decency had to be legislated but as a young adult during the pre-civil rights era, I saw just how big of an asshole white Americans could be. WHITE and COLORED bathrooms!

    I wish Obama were a better leader than he is but I'm happy to see we're diversity-capable. The last integration will be the Gay, and someday this will be a real free country where all are judget by what they do, not what the are ethnically or socially.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think just getting an entry level job, there is likely to be no discrimination any more. However I do think went it comes to upper management and to some degree middle management, efforts still need to be made to ensure ethnic minorities and women are given fair consideration.

    My limited experience is FOR KEY POSITIONS the standard of qualifications and job performance for ethnic minorities has to be off the charts above and beyond non-minorities to be evaluated as doing a good job whereas non-minorities have to do a good job but not perform at the same standards. My observation is this dual standard does not apply to "worker bee" positions, just key roles and often its just one minority who is allowed to advance to a key role seemingly in order to look inclusive/the guy is so freaking amazing its stupid not to put him in a key role.

    For women often sadly being eye candy and flirty in a factor in advancing to a key role. Its not the only factor but my observation is its one factor.

    Lastly, I don't think any of this is deliberately and intentional. I think we all have a mental picture of how a person we envision to fill a certain role to look. I think subconsciously gender and ethnicity plays a part in that mental picture with many people unless there is something that stands out in a powerful way. Being the hardest working, most talented worker and articulate person you've ever seen if that worker is an ethnic minority send that powerful message. Giving every man in the room whiplash every time you walk in the room and then being the sweetest most ego building person he's ever met provided you can also do the job also makes a powerful statement. However, being the subconscious "mental image" of how people in a key role should look is a huge advantage if tall, male, white, well dressed, etc. happens to be that image. I also think the more women and minorities are seen in society serving in key positions, they more the "default" mental image becomes more inclusive.

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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Decade? hell century, im just glad america is better than that, smarter than that on this issues. And in this case ours country believes in protecting eachother.
    You mean protect each other from those mean people that want to fire you, don't want to hire you, don't want to sell you their property, don't want you on their property, etc? Yeah, what assholes practicing their right to control access, use and sale of their property. I hate them. Grrrrr..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, brother. You're in the wrong decade.
    What - is respect for human rights old-fashioned to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What - is respect for human rights old-fashioned to you?
    Not at all. It's all about human rights. If there are those who would take them away from a group of people? We need laws to protect those people.
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    re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not at all. It's all about human rights. If there are those who would take them away from a group of people? We need laws to protect those people.
    Such as..

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