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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Since your assertions re: property rights are sharply at odds with several decades of US law, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that they're factual.
    WHen one is dishonest enough to believe their opinions are the only facts, they dont care about actual facts, its very funny and entertaining everytime i witness it. Its why i encourage him to do it so much because it cracks me up.
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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Don't need to see EVERY post you have made with whatever name you are using this time. DO know if you could remember a recent decrying some right wing radical for his blanket statement you would have referenced it.
    And how do you know this oh master of mind reading? I guess you missed my part of the post that said...

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    That is an unfair blanket statement about as diverse group of people. It sounds as stupid as people saying "the left."
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    Now don't confuse my newbie status here with newbie to the world and how it works. Don't confuse your being here a longer time as somehow 'smarter' or 'fairer'.
    The only thing confused here is your perception. And it is glaringly apparent.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    it isn't that you don't go through the forum on a mission, it is just you only see blanket statements about the radical right as worthy of umbrage.
    Actually I do as I said in debate's with others.

    Only people making bad assumptions based on nothing but my lean would do such. Oh I am sorry?

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    FYI the poster didn't say, "every damn radical right wingnutt thinks this way" so it wasn't so much a blanket as a throw...
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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) nope, just your opinion, if you disagree id love for you to FACTUAL prove otherwise
    I already did by explaining what property rights detail.

    2.) another dodge,thats what i thought, exposed again
    The question is asked from a weird and incorrect angle and therefore there is no accurate way to answer it.

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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Since your assertions re: property rights are sharply at odds with several decades of US law, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that they're factual.
    Tell me, how do you protect property when you don't allow control of the property in either access, use, or sale? Any answers?

    It would seem to me you are only protecting the claim, but taking all power that goes with property that was meant to be protected away from it. Ownership is about power. Yeah, I said it. Its about power and control. Whoever has the power and the control owns whatever it might be.

    Legal claims of property might say otherwise, but its clear the power of ownership is stripped with these laws. Claims to property you don't control is just an empty declaration. Turning property into merely possession is not what "property rights" is all about, sorry.
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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I think society has changed a lot since the 1960's.

    For one, the law has changed. Government's cannot force businesses to discriminate who they serve anymore. No more Jim Crow.

    We never really got to see whether businesses would discriminate if given the freedom to do so, they were told they had to and then told they can't. Both dictates are harmful I would argue, the first being obviously much worse than the second.

    Both profit motive and business image are good reasons why a business wouldn't discriminate. Any discrimination would likely be a statistical anomaly. A low percentage of people are truly racist in this country, an even fewer percentage of racist business owners, and even a fewer percentage of racist business owners who would take the risk to discriminate. And society continues to progress every day.

    The problem with anti discrimination laws is that they actually lead to minorities being treated differently. That only delays progress for equality in society. Another problem is that anti discrimination lawsuits are hard to defend against, and morally bankrupt our legal system.

    Do we really need laws against discrimination by businesses in 2013?
    Businesses can and will discriminate against whomever they want, if allowed.

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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)I already did by explaining what property rights detail.



    The question is asked from a weird and incorrect angle and therefore there is no accurate way to answer it.
    1.) which was your OPINION of how you WANT things to work or WISH they did, you didnt factually prove anything
    2.) this is also untrue, there are two accurate ways, saying yes or no, you can continue to dodge them if you like but nothing changes

    the question is not only actual but its 100% reality based

    Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question, be honest and just directly answer it
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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Tell me, how do you protect property when you don't allow control of the property in either access, use, or sale? Any answers?

    It would seem to me you are only protecting the claim, but taking all power that goes with property that was meant to be protected away from it. Ownership is about power. Yeah, I said it. Its about power and control. Whoever has the power and the control owns whatever it might be.

    Legal claims of property might say otherwise, but its clear the power of ownership is stripped with these laws. Claims to property you don't control is just an empty declaration. Turning property into merely possession is not what "property rights" is all about, sorry.
    And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.

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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.
    this fact will be ignored everytime and thats what makes it so funny, its why i enjoy pushing the issue so much
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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) which was your OPINION of how you WANT things to work or WISH they did, you didnt factually prove anything
    I'm confident I understand property rights better than you.

    2.) this is also untrue, there are two accurate ways, saying yes or no, you can continue to dodge them if you like but nothing changes

    the question is not only actual but its 100% reality based

    Let me know when you are ready to stop dodging the question, be honest and just directly answer it
    Do you want someone to have the ablity to fire your wife, daughter, niece, sister simply because they wont give them oral sex? yes or no
    I stand by my assessment of the question. It's just weird and inaccurate. I won't humor a question that is based on a bad premise.

    Btw, I'm done with this talk. Nothing is coming out of it anymore except an increase in post cost.

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    Re: Would businesses discriminate today? Are laws against discrimination necessary?[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    And that's a lovely set of ideology you're espousing, but none of it is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinon that is, as I've pointed out, entirely at odds with our legal system. That's a fact.
    Do you wish to explain to me how property works? How control of property works? I'm well aware the laws disagree with me, but then, that is my reason for being in this thread.

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