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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    What do you mean by "exert power"?
    You know, hire/fire, promote/demote, require overtime, set deadlines, etc.

    For a communist, requiring a person to work for pay is "oppression!" ha!

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps, but it makes me just wealthy enough not to care about idealistic rhetoric (though I find most people on Capitol Hill were morons which was why I left; most professionals are idiots, so I spend as little time with them as possible, but business owner's are the Bee's Knees.)
    I agree with that whole post. Congrats on your good fortune.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Get off my thread.
    Lol- spoken like a true authoritarian.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    In many ways it is.



    Labor sustains a weak economy. They do this because of a shortage in intellectual capital.

    When unskilled workers are not a dime a dozen, then we can argue about their merit.
    Yes, but without labor there can be no economy at all. Ideas do have their merit, but someone simply profiting from intellectual property and the labor of others should not take precedence over a worker.
    Last edited by waas; 01-21-13 at 05:06 PM.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Lol- spoken like a true authoritarian.
    His idea of debating is making contrived personal attacks and calling me a pinko.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    We've passed the point of voluntary contracts. There's no voluntary contract with the government. Their regulations should enable people to acquire property. Nothing to do with libertarianism, that's simply the whole idea behind capitalism and a property-owning democracy. And if 20% of the populace holds 85% of the wealth, there's not much libertarian about it. You can't reasonably suggest that's the result of individual intelligence and energy. It's a monopoly on wealth if you will.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Yes, but without labor there can be no economy at all. Ideas do have their merit, but someone simply profiting from intellectual property and the labor should not take precedence over a laborer.
    Yeah yeah, everything has value. You just seem to keep implying that all value is uniform.

    If the PCV valve in your car goes bad, do you replace the whole engine?

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    You don't buy into my "bull****"? Is that why you address not one of my points? In any case, I know our politicians are "in bed" with corporations, which is why I'm a argue for campaign finance reform and restrictions geared at lessening the influence unaccountable entities have on politics and society.
    I addressed all of your one point. I'm also for campaign reform. I don't believe campaign contributions should be allowed in any form. A candidate should get an advertisement/campaign voucher, and it should be equal to all other candidates. I want to remove big business from politics.

    I like that you used the term "unaccountable entities". What you don't however seem to realize is that our government has become one of those. I would like to neuter them instead of empowering them.


    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Where do you get nationalist from our conversations? Go to my profile and read what I've written under the bio category, or, perhaps, my posts.
    I know where you stand, friend, you've made it clear in the past. You want more power for the government to manipulate the market, while I understand that it is the government power itself that creates the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Did I ever say that? First, you're only barely touching upon the quoted post. I believe that economic problems stem from the divide between the creators of wealth and the upper class.
    You blame the businesses for EVERYTHING. From your posts, the only logical conclusion can be that you believe all business owners are the monopoly man, raping freedom and sacking profits.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Lol- spoken like a true authoritarian.
    Lizzie, this is one of the many reasons I love you!
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Yes, but without labor there can be no economy at all. Ideas do have their merit, but someone simply profiting from intellectual property and the labor of others should not take precedence over a worker.
    It depends on the product, and the employee base. If someone has a great idea, and that idea generates a product which is in demand, but the product is easy to produce from menial labor, the labor of others is pretty cheap. Any old Joe can do the job. If the employee has nothing special to offer, he can be easily replaced. If Any old Joe wants to compete in the marketplace, then he has the option of coming up with a competing product and hiring his own laborers.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    A company without the power of government coercion can not infringe on liberty. People have a right to enter into voluntary contracts for work. How can one voluntarily have one's rights infringed?

    When, in effect, it becomes "accept employer abuse or starve with no job".


    Which is often the case in bad economic times like these, for those who are not in a high-demand position.

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