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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If you were not forced or coerced into taking said employment, then yes, libertarianism is compatible with employers exerting power over employees.
    Agreed. Noncoercion really should go without saying, if coercion is involved it is slavery or some other crime.

    And of course, this should also go without saying but in view of the fact that this thread was started by an avowed commie it probably needs to be explained, coercion means FORCIBLE coercion, not merely the threat of withholding money.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Not true at all. Liberty and exploitation are mutually exclusive.
    Yeah, that's the kind of pinko nonsense I'm talking about. Firing an employee isn't coercion, this is a consequence of freedom of association.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Excuse me for saying this, but you're a moron.

    Yes, the low end has increased very little(though it has varied with the markets) but the high end has grown in leaps and bounds.

    And the welfare program is poorly done, but it's still something we need - I'd much rather implement a version of the CCCs. In no way does a system that helps keep the poor alive responsible for their poverty - people on welfare live in depressing conditions, which is incentive for advancement in it's own right.
    A moron with a lot of degrees, a few businesses, and some work experience on Capitol Hill. You, by measure, have the idealism of a a 10 year old girl who still likes butterflies better than boys, but I have hopes for you. Why you would believe in a system that you yourself think is "poorly done" is beyond me, but far be it from me to interfere with one's freedom to bury their head in the sand (just so long as it is not on my property, because then I will either have to shoot you in the butt with rocksalt or have you arrested).

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    I see, so as long as it's not the government infringing upon liberty, you're okay with it.

    And a market like the one you describes does not exist. In reality, competition for jobs exists, and due to the need to sustain yourself, workers will take any position that helps them earns them a salary.
    In a relationship with government, one has no choice, without risking being deemed criminal. In a private business relationship, this is not the case. I voluntarily enter into a contract with an employer, and I have the discretion to break the contract at any time I desire to do so.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    A moron with a lot of degrees, a few businesses, and some work experience on Capitol Hill.
    Nothing against you personally, Fisher, but I should point out that none of those things necessarily preclude a person from being a moron.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In a relationship with government, one has no choice, without risking being deemed criminal. In a private business relationship, this is not the case. I voluntarily enter into a contract with an employer, and I have the discretion to break the contract at any time I desire to do so.
    This point has already been addressed.

    In a capitalist country competitive job market, what forces you to enter a contract is the need to generate income.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Are you [still] a libertarian if you support business owners being able to exert power over employees?
    What do you mean by "exert power"?

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In a relationship with government, one has no choice, without risking being deemed criminal. In a private business relationship, this is not the case. I voluntarily enter into a contract with an employer, and I have the discretion to break the contract at any time I desire to do so.
    This is why a communist can never be a libertarian. Liberty requires freedom of association, freedom of contract, and personal responsibility. Commies who want to inhibit those freedoms do not support liberty.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is why a communist can never be a libertarian. Liberty requires freedom of association, freedom of contract, and personal responsibility. Commies who want to inhibit those freedoms do not support liberty.
    Get off my thread.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nothing against you personally, Fisher, but I should point out that none of those things necessarily preclude a person from being a moron.
    Perhaps, but it makes me just wealthy enough not to care about idealistic rhetoric (though I find most people on Capitol Hill were morons which was why I left; most professionals are idiots, so I spend as little time with them as possible, but business owner's are the Bee's Knees.)

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