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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Wow..
    Am I wrong? You are standing there unharmed next to a water hole that is poisoned. Your rights were violated how?

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    Construction... well we have lots of that but it has mostly been taken over by illegals working for peanuts, a concrete mason that made $20 an hour in the 80s is lucky if he can find a job literally for anything more than minimum wage today. Again, I'm talking about people I know personally.

    I've seen so many businesses close their doors and NOT reopen at all, not even under another owner, in the past decade... it worries me.
    You and I have had this discussion before, and you and I both realize that the only thing which will remedy this is Americans putting their money where their mouths are. If I had a choice not to buy Chinese crap, I'd absolutely not do it. I would willingly pay more for Americans to have jobs making widgets. The problem is that there are not enough Americans willing to do this, and until there are, our lower working class will continue to suffer from lack of jobs with livable wages, as we get more entrenched in the global economy.
    I wish there were a workable solution, but I just don't see one, without alot of us getting on board.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post

    Yes you can. Society refers to it as compromise. Freedom, complete freedom, is not conducive to society, so compromise is made. I lose my freedom to punch you in the face, and the same to you, so that we enjoy the freedom of not getting punched in the face all the time. It's the simplest concept in the world.
    Except that isn't calling for freedom, is it? No, it holding that rights are violated by those actions and restricting freedom in the process because of it. Lets not humor the idea you can do both at the same time.

    What DOES motivate people?
    It depends on the person in question. There are however general rules and usually speaking gifts do not motivate people.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Am I wrong? You are standing there unharmed next to a water hole that is poisoned. Your rights were violated how?
    Is there a sign by the well denoting it as poisoned? No, not until a couple of people get poisoned by it. Do you presume to say that a company, or even individuals, would, knowingly or even unknowingly, poison the potable water supply, and admit to it?

    Say they do, lol. What happens when folks are thirsty?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    If you don't exert power over your employees, you're not a business owner. What else would you call the power to hire, fire or tell your employees what to do?
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    Henrin;1061377101]Except that isn't calling for freedom, is it? No, it holding that rights are violated by those actions and restricting freedom in the process because of it. Lets not humor the idea you can do both at the same time.
    How much freedom do you have if you are constantly on your porch, guarding it against would be aggressors? How much freedom do you have if the only thing upholding so called law is YOU? Do you truly believe that, deep down inside, people are good natured and respectful? People are animals, and society is only ever 5 to 6 meals away from survival of the fittest, in the most literal sense. A man who needs something, needs it to live, does not care for whatever rules you would impose on him, beyond the forced used to impose it. Are you really desiring a society in which the everyday gamble is, you wield more force than the needy man? Your "natural" rights are all illusions, granted you by the very machine you hate. The very machine that makes large groups of people possible. Authoritarianism.



    It depends on the person in question. There are however general rules and usually speaking gifts do not motivate people.
    Tips motivate most of the strippers who have ever given ME a lap dance, and strictly speaking, those are gifts.

    What motivates people, is the availability to acquire what they WANT, whatever that thing might be. And the best way for MOST of us to get what we WANT, is through the smoothness of life offered us by civilization. Hard to hang onto my corvette without authoritarian cops on every corner, making sure that what's mine stays mine, and I gladly pay for it, and I gladly give the go ahead for my hired thugs (government) to take from who they need to keep that ball rolling. Because, it provides the greatest level of liberty for us all, not just for a few.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    How much freedom do you have if you are constantly on your porch, guarding it against would be aggressors? How much freedom do you have if the only thing upholding so called law is YOU? Do you truly believe that, deep down inside, people are good natured and respectful? People are animals, and society is only ever 5 to 6 meals away from survival of the fittest, in the most literal sense. A man who needs something, needs it to live, does not care for whatever rules you would impose on him, beyond the forced used to impose it. Are you really desiring a society in which the everyday gamble is, you wield more force than the needy man? Your "natural" rights are all illusions, granted you by the very machine you hate. The very machine that makes large groups of people possible. Authoritarianism.
    You sure do enjoy talking of things I never mentioned. Did you not have enough material or was there perhaps no holes in my logic? You can say rights come where ever you please, it matters not to me, but I owe nothing to this so called needy man.

    Tips motivate most of the strippers who have ever given ME a lap dance, and strictly speaking, those are gifts.
    Idiotic. Tips are not gifts, but income earned from services rendered. If you don't agree I question your presence in this thread.
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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Is there a sign by the well denoting it as poisoned? No, not until a couple of people get poisoned by it. Do you presume to say that a company, or even individuals, would, knowingly or even unknowingly, poison the potable water supply, and admit to it?

    Say they do, lol. What happens when folks are thirsty?
    They get poisoned. Shocking?

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Henrin;1061377357]You sure do enjoy talking of things I never mentioned. Did you not have enough material or was there perhaps no holes in my logic?
    I suppose I'll have to break this down for you. But just this once, cuz I gots to get to bed soon. This is what you said...

    "Except that isn't calling for freedom, is it? No, it holding that rights are violated by those actions and restricting freedom in the process because of it. Lets not humor the idea you can do both at the same time. "

    I made one word bold, because it's dead wrong. By giving up a certain level of liberty, we grant ourselves as a WHOLE, a greater level of liberty. You see, to me, guarding myself and my stuff all the time is NOT freedom. It sounds like a crappy life, constantly being on guard, on edge, etc. Having police frees me up from a LOT of that. Your counter is likely that we should self police. Well, we already do. Last time I looked, cops are US citizens. That we pay them from a collective fund only serves my second point...the greatest level of liberty for the whole, and not just for some. So, yes, you CAN do both at the same time. And once again...that's called compromise. We trade a little, to get a lot. You can quote Franklin all day long, but you'd be wasting your time.

    Idiotic. Tips are not gifts, but income earned from services rendered. If you don't agree I question your presence in this thread.
    If it's income earned, why is it optional for me to offer it?

    Duly noted that you did not address the last portion of my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are you a libertarian if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They get poisoned. Shocking?
    Correct. And as I said before, I have a right to not get poisoned from drinking out of the watering hole, more so than a company has a right to dump poison into it. Your fellow libertarian arguing the point did not seem to agree. Maybe you two should hook up, and discuss this.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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