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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Alfalfa is a good rotation crop, but compared in food value (hemp seed being one the most nutritionally balanced food sources on earth) as well as all other conventional uses. hemp seems to win hands down on the rotation crop front.
    Industrial Hemp Farming - History and Practice
    Hemp moved west with the Pioneers: Missouri (1835); Minnesota (1860); Illinois (1875); Nebraska(1887); Wisconsin (1908); California (1912). By 1860, Missouri had replaced Kentucky as the major supplier of hemp. At the same time, hemp was moving north, being first grown in Minnesota that same year.
    In fact, we had many hemp farms not more than 10 minutes away from here to the NW of downtown KC. Rope was a staple of Missouri industry for decades around here. The phrase "smoking rope behind the barn" was common even in the 1950's - my Dad used to use it. LOL!


    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    No, writing all that was good and its just as I feel about industrial farming, It was your vote and your stated reason for such that seems incompatible to me.
    Its one thing to feel the way you do, but why then vote no on something that can help protect those family farms?

    ps...did not 'slam' you over post about humor, was simply an observation and was trying to be realistic about our attempts to communicate, sorry if it seemed otherwise.
    Because I still believe in genetic manipulation. A good chunk of it is simply swapping genes from one plant to another of the same genus. I see no problem speeding up what we've been doing for decades with crossbreeding. With climate change (regardless of the cause) we may need all the help we can get.

    Also, I'd much rather see genetic manipulation take over so we can get rid of all the chemicals we use now. While lady bugs can help with pest control for some crops they don't cover most. Many pest eggs get attacked by fungus. The problem is, the fungus either doesn't last or isn't quite timed right for maximum effect. I'd rather see a slight modification to the fungus than millions of gallons of pesticides being used.

    Technology got is here and I personally think technology can get us out. Technology made high-density cities like London and Paris possible before there was sanitation, which itself caused a lot of problems. Because of science we now have sanitation, and later, water treatment for the sewage to make sure the environmental impact we have from that is minimal. ((I'd bet good money mankind's poo has less impact now than it did 40,000 years ago.)) I think turning our back on genetic manipulation is a move in the wrong direction because it has the most potential to get rid of some of our worst problems in food and water pollution. Of course, any tool can be misused - but we don't outlaw hammers just because some fool kills with one. It's prudent to keep watch on a new industry but it's bad policy to just squelch something as promising as this might be. We need to move forward, not backward.


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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Oh my Goshin you keep misunderstanding...not necessarily calling you a Nazi sympathizer, just making an observation and relating it to past experience etc, not saying you are, just sayin'
    The prob these days is that many have been slowly lulled in the Nazi type superiority complex thinking without even being self aware of such...mass desensitizing and conditioning has worked to remove the 'conscience' factor from the equation of many Americans thinking process, maybe you are immune to such, I haven't seen enough of your thought process to make that call, but some here have exhibited examples enough that the conclusion becomes self evident.
    So Goshin may not be a Nazi sympathizer but others in thread certainly are? You jumped the Godwin shark early in this discussion. You haven't had any cred since then - hence my question to Goshin.

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Oh my Goshin you keep misunderstanding...not necessarily calling you a Nazi sympathizer, just making an observation and relating it to past experience etc, not saying you are, just sayin'
    The prob these days is that many have been slowly lulled in the Nazi type superiority complex thinking without even being self aware of such...mass desensitizing and conditioning has worked to remove the 'conscience' factor from the equation of many Americans thinking process, maybe you are immune to such, I haven't seen enough of your thought process to make that call, but some here have exhibited examples enough that the conclusion becomes self evident.

    Yeah, well good luck with that.


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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So Goshin may not be a Nazi sympathizer but others in thread certainly are? You jumped the Godwin shark early in this discussion. You haven't had any cred since then - hence my question to Goshin.
    Actually I have only identified one (whether self aware of it or not) 'Nazi' lol...the rest of the suspects (see no vote's with maybe a couple acceptations) are looking a lot like unwitting 'Nazi' sympathizers which is not in my mind on the same level as a 'Nazi' type thinker...

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, well good luck with that.


    Here's a book that might help you...


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    Call me crazy but I have this feeling you've never read it....

    I try to steer clear of terming anyone in that category Goshin unless meant as a compliment...not here to do as you assume, just here taking a sampling...also I only respond in the kind that I am approached with, and maybe adding my own expression twists and turns etc lol...but not here for support on the proposal or friendship I can assure you

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    I try to steer clear of terming anyone in that category Goshin unless meant as a compliment...not here to do as you assume, just here taking a sampling...also I only respond in the kind that I am approached with, and maybe adding my own expression twists and turns etc lol...but not here for support on the proposal or friendship I can assure you

    Well, let me give you a hint... calling people Nazi sympathizers or unwitting Nazi-thinking dupes is not going to endear you to anyone, nor make anyone take your ideas seriously.


    Just sayin'.


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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Actually I have only identified one (whether self aware of it or not) 'Nazi' lol...the rest of the suspects (see no vote's with maybe a couple acceptations) are looking a lot like unwitting 'Nazi' sympathizers which is not in my mind on the same level as a 'Nazi' type thinker...
    Nobody's going to listen to you if you call them Nazis, no matter how nice you try to be about it.
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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Industrial Hemp Farming - History and Practice In fact, we had many hemp farms not more than 10 minutes away from here to the NW of downtown KC. Rope was a staple of Missouri industry for decades around here. The phrase "smoking rope behind the barn" was common even in the 1950's - my Dad used to use it. LOL!


    Because I still believe in genetic manipulation. A good chunk of it is simply swapping genes from one plant to another of the same genus. I see no problem speeding up what we've been doing for decades with crossbreeding. With climate change (regardless of the cause) we may need all the help we can get.

    Also, I'd much rather see genetic manipulation take over so we can get rid of all the chemicals we use now. While lady bugs can help with pest control for some crops they don't cover most. Many pest eggs get attacked by fungus. The problem is, the fungus either doesn't last or isn't quite timed right for maximum effect. I'd rather see a slight modification to the fungus than millions of gallons of pesticides being used.

    Technology got is here and I personally think technology can get us out. Technology made high-density cities like London and Paris possible before there was sanitation, which itself caused a lot of problems. Because of science we now have sanitation, and later, water treatment for the sewage to make sure the environmental impact we have from that is minimal. ((I'd bet good money mankind's poo has less impact now than it did 40,000 years ago.)) I think turning our back on genetic manipulation is a move in the wrong direction because it has the most potential to get rid of some of our worst problems in food and water pollution. Of course, any tool can be misused - but we don't outlaw hammers just because some fool kills with one. It's prudent to keep watch on a new industry but it's bad policy to just squelch something as promising as this might be. We need to move forward, not backward.


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    Well while we disagree on some things I respect your views MoSurveyor.
    Where we do agree for sure is about chemical use and hemp and family farms v industrial farming...the thing about hemp is that if used as a companion crop that surrounds other crops it works as another good partner in 'pest control'...actually works very well in my experience working with varieties in South Dakota and Nebraska as companion crops...it grows wild there in patches, its just as illegal but we use to work with it anyway in different projects (like pine ridge hemp house) and also data collecting etc...on the rest I hope we can agree to disagree I would say though that in my opinion its a lot more than just 'speeding up the process' and the 'devil' tends to be in the details.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Redesigning the World:
    Ethical Questions about Genetic Engineering
    Redesigning the World


    To Goshin and XFactor I can only say that things are what they are and I did not make people think the way they do nor do I intend to influence their thinking in any other way, just here making observations. Any info I post is for viewers more than for posters, only in the benefit of the doubt that they actually think read and think more before they 'vote' etc...no need for anyone to take me 'seriously' as you both state...just inducing thought in whatever direction folks want to take it.
    Why not deeper examination of why I would make such an extreme observation instead of automatic dismissal as if to protest to much?
    Or maybe its as simple as:

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Good news trend for no voters:


    IBM to ‘financialize’ water; the last frontier in monopolizing human rights and installing neo-feudalism


    Release Date: January 23, 2013
    Issued By: Waterfund LLC

    NEW YORK, NY – January 23, 2013 – Waterfund LLC announced today that it has signed an agreement with IBM (NYSE: IBM) to develop a Water Cost Index (WCI).

    Scientists from IBM Research will apply Big Data expertise, acting as a calculation agent, to analyze large and diverse unstructured data sets. This will be used to develop of a WCI framework that would estimate the cost of water in different regions around the world. With its market and financial product expertise, Waterfund will work to structure and commercialize the WCI.

    Population growth, massive urbanization and climate change are placing increasing demands on our limited water supply. Forty one percent of the world’s population – that’s 2.3 billion people – live in water-stressed areas; this number is expected to grow to 3.5 billion by 2025. And according to the United Nations, water use has been growing at more than twice the rate of population increase over the last century.

    With advances in technology — deep computing and Big Data analytics linked to sophisticated sensor networks and smart meters — IBM is helping clients and partners make smarter decisions about water management. By monitoring, measuring and analyzing water systems, from rivers and reservoirs to pumps and pipes, we can better understand the issues around water. IBM is applying its expertise in smart systems and Big Data to help companies, governments and citizens understand and more effectively deal with these issues.

    As governments are increasingly forced to turn to the private sector to fund the construction and maintenance of complex water networks, the Rickards Real Cost Water Index™ will serve as a benchmark for helping measure hundreds of critical projects on a like-for-like basis. Index values will reflect estimated water production costs measured in US dollars per cubic metre for a variety of major global water infrastructure projects ranging from retail water utilities and wholesale water utilities to major transmission projects.

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