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Thread: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Maintaining healthy top-soil content and silt deposits is very important for agriculture. Luckily we can maintain enormous yields on a constant basis (we no longer have to leave fields lying fallow) because of our abundant access to agricultural chemicals and increasing advances in engineered crops. It is a problem that we will continue to grapple with but we will have to overcome, and I see no reason that we wont.
    All you needed was proper rotation lol was never any need to leave fields fallow, thats a fallacy, or better described as a strawman attempt.
    Because of ignorance not unlike yours being misinterpreted as intelligence (a necessary mechanism of the machine), you have allowed for abandoning and even outlawing probably the most perfect rotation crop imaginable with the prohibition of cannabis.
    Not only does it for the most part solve healthy soil and erosion problems (something USDA knew long before the 1937 tax act) but it also provides any number of alternatives to petroleum, timber and cotton etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Right. We should never have built houses, never tilled fields, never experimented with crop modification (which goes back thousands of years and is a direct contributor to civilization), never created vaccines, never dicked around with penicillin, never touched chemistry, etc etc etc. This kind of absurd naturalistic fallacy is the extreme of ridiculousness.
    Building a house etc is not trying to fool mother nature, manually redesigning DNA sequencing is, or maybe also General Custering into a battle without all the info might be relative


    "How hemp helps restore soil fertility"
    How hemp helps restore soil fertility

    "Building Soil Health"
    http://www.columbiaccd.org/diversity...oel_hunter.pdf

    "NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP"
    Popular Mechanics
    February, 1938
    Hemp: The New Billion-Dollar Crop - Popular Mechanics - 1938

    AMERICAN farmers are promised a new cash crop with an annual value of several hundred million dollars, all because a machine has been invented which solves a problem more than 6,000 years old. It is hemp, a crop that will not compete with other American products.

    Instead, it will displace imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolie and peasant labor and it will provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land.

    The machine which makes this possible is designed for removing the fiber-bearing cortex from the rest of the stalk, making hemp fiber available for use without a prohibitive amount of human labor. Hemp is the standard fiber of the world. It has great tensile strength and durability. It is used to produce more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contain more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose, and can be used to produce more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane.

    Machines now in service in Texas, Illinois, Minnesota and other states are producing fiber at a manufacturing cost of half a cent a pound, and are finding a profitable market for the rest of the stalk. Machine operators are making a good profit in competition with coolie-produced foreign fiber while paying farmers fifteen dollars a ton for hemp as it comes from the field.

    From the farmers' point of view, hemp is an easy crop to grow and will yield from three to six tons per acre on any land that will grow corn, wheat, or oats. It has a short growing season, so that it can be planted after other crops are in. It can be grown in any state of the union. The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, eight to twelve feet above the ground, chokes out weeds. Two successive crops are enough to reclaim land that has been abandoned because of Canadian thistles or quack grass.

    Under old methods, hemp was cut and allowed to lie in the fields for weeks until it "retted" enough so the fibers could be pulled off by hand. Retting is simply rotting as a result of dew, rain and bacterial action. Machines were developed to separate the fibers mechanically after retting was complete, but the cost was high, the loss of fiber great, and the quality of fiber comparatively low.

    With the new machine, known as a decorticator, hemp is cut with a slightly modified grain binder. It is delivered to the machine where an automatic chain conveyor feeds it to the breaking arms at the rate of two or three tons per hour. The hurds are broken into fine pieces which drop into the hopper, from where they are delivered by blower to a baler or to truck or freight car for loose shipment. The fiber comes from the other end of the machine, ready for baling.

    From this point on almost anything can happen. The raw fiber can be used to produce strong twine or rope, woven into burlap, used for carpet warp or linoleum backing or it may be bleached and refined, with resinous by-products of high commercial value. It can, in fact, be used to replace the foreign fibers which now flood our markets.

    Thousands of tons of hemp hurds are used every year by one large powder company for the manufacture of dynamite and TNT. A large paper company, which has been paying more than a million dollars a year in duties on foreign-made cigarette papers, now is manufacturing these papers from American hemp grown in Minnesota. A new factory in Illinois is producing fine bond papers from hemp. The natural materials in hemp make it an economical source of pulp for any grade of paper manufactured, and the high percentage of alpha cellulose promises an unlimited supply of raw material for the thousands of cellulose products our chemists have developed.

    It is generally believed that all linen is produced from flax. Actually, the majority comes from hemp--authorities estimate that more than half of our imported linen fabrics are manufactured from hemp fiber. Another misconception is that burlap is made from hemp. Actually, its source is usually jute, and practically all of the burlap we use is woven by laborers in India who receive only four cents a day. Binder twine is usually made from sisal which comes from Yucatan and East Africa.

    All of these products, now imported, can be produced from home- grown hemp. Fish nets, bow strings, canvas, strong rope, overalls, damask tablecloths, fine linen garments, towels, bed linen and thousands of other everyday items can be grown on American farms.

    Our imports of foreign fabrics and fibers average about $200,000,000 per year; in raw fibers alone we imported over $50,000,000 in the first six months of 1937. All of this income can be made available for Americans.

    The paper industry offers even greater possibilities. As an industry it amounts to over $1,000,000,000 a year, and of that eighty per cent is imported. But hemp will produce every grade of paper, and government figures estimate that 10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average pulp land.

    One obstacle in the onward march of hemp is the reluctance of farmers to try new crops. The problem is complicated by the need for proper equipment a reasonable distance from the farm. The machine cannot be operated profitably unless there is enough acreage within driving range and farmers cannot find a profitable market unless there is machinery to handle the crop. Another obstacle is that the blossom of the female hemp plant contains marijuana, a narcotic, and it is impossible to grow hemp without producing the blossom. Federal regulations now being drawn up require registration of hemp growers, and tentative proposals for preventing narcotic production are rather stringent.

    However, the connection of hemp as a crop and marijuana seems to be exaggerated. The drug is usually produced from wild hemp or locoweed which can be found on vacant lots and along railroad tracks in every state. If federal regulations can be drawn to protect the public without preventing the legitimate culture of hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.

    "Popular Mechanics Magazine" can furnish the name and address of the maker of, or dealer in, any article described in its pages. If you wish this information, write to the Bureau of Information, enclosing a stamped, self-addressed envelope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Dude you are a lunatic.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't think of them as symbiotic, since that's a very specific biological term, but, yes, I do understand the inter-relationships between species.

    Not at all. You're talking about those idiot industrial farm corps, not the family farmer. Family farmers pass farms down through the generations. They are VERY careful about the land and soil since they expect it to be in the family for generations - unlike your 0.1 acre subdivision plot that people buy and sell by the thousands per day. Get your facts straight, dude.


    Again you have no clue. I own no guns and when I shoot animals at all it's with a camera. However, my hunting friends (and the family farmer!) take up the slack for me and keep the deer population in check. Otherwise there would be no food for anyone.
    The gun remark was sarcasm and its irrelevant to whether you personally own a gun...if you couldn't understand even that, how in the world could you ever expect to respond in any coherent way to anything I write?
    Get my facts right? WTH are talking about? I'm the one arguing for families to grow their own and you are the one defending all other suicidal behaviors in terms of farming etc...lol
    Its hard to stay on whatever page you keep turning to in your mind...

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I voted no because the only part of the proposal I agree with is that DNA shouldn't fall under intellectual property law. I have similar issues with music riffs, too.
    Ok MoSurveyor i'm still trying to understand your point here below because your vote and posts reflect a total disconnect from what you seem to understand relative to this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't think of them as symbiotic, since that's a very specific biological term, but, yes, I do understand the inter-relationships between species.

    Not at all. You're talking about those idiot industrial farm corps, not the family farmer. Family farmers pass farms down through the generations. They are VERY careful about the land and soil since they expect it to be in the family for generations - unlike your 0.1 acre subdivision plot that people buy and sell by the thousands per day. Get your facts straight, dude.


    Again you have no clue. I own no guns and when I shoot animals at all it's with a camera. However, my hunting friends (and the family farmer!) take up the slack for me and keep the deer population in check. Otherwise there would be no food for anyone.
    Sort of reminds me of this unexplained bit lol...


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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Nature does not have a plan. 'Nature' is not a conscience anthropomorphic thing, nor is it a force. It is simply the word we use to explain the natural rules, laws, and orders of the Universe. This includes physics, biology, chemistry, everything. It is a catchall word that too many new-ager's have stolen to mean whatever pseudoreligious thing they want.

    So my answer to that is this: "Nature" can go screw itself. Mankind should do whatever is within its power to make life more prosperous, healthy, and fulfilling that it can. This means taming nature, down from the smallest microbe to the sun of our stellar system. The glory of mankind is our mastery of the Universe and the march of technology.
    Oh my, I missed this bit of superiority...

    Just as General Custer drastically miscalculated his destiny, so also does sherman123...and you bring such responses on to yourself as anyone can see:





    "This means taming nature"





    ps...we already talked about nature with Harry, its how he discovered he has no conscience and then dispersed, so now between the two of you we have a double headed void and yet somehow there is still a conscious effort to have no conscience...how can this be? oh well...if his head is still rolling round out there tell him about your tribute post here because he loves video's...he can't dance of course (that would take an attached body lol) but he does like to roll his eyes to the beat.

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    You are using words that in english have an actual definition, but when you arrange them the way you do and with the videos scattered on top it just looks like gibberish.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ignorant anti-science nonsense. Here's a specific example of genetic engineering: Bananas.

    You know what also has unintended consequences?

    Everything.






    They're not talking about just simple cross-breeding though, are they?

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You are using words that in english have an actual definition, but when you arrange them the way you do and with the videos scattered on top it just looks like gibberish.

    Maybe you should order me to be arrested and executed as a savage?
    Or maybe your statement shows all the signs of denial in a desperate paranoid delusional attempt to regain command of the battle?





    Everything about this thread is about a simple story as easy as adding 123 and it all goes to your conscience...that place where when I refer to it you undoubtedly wonder what I mean.

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Maybe you should order me to be arrested and executed as a savage?
    Or maybe your statement shows all the signs of denial in a desperate paranoid delusional attempt to regain command of the battle?





    Everything about this thread is about a simple story as easy as adding 123 and it all goes to your conscience...that place where when I refer to it you undoubtedly wonder what I mean.
    I hereby order you to be arrested and executed as a savage.

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I hereby order you to be arrested and executed as a savage.
    Sherman123, I know you don't understand me, but in part this thread was designed to flush out the 'Nazi's'.
    Of course the word is obsolete, but evolution has brought a new heart to that beat.
    Its a thing well disguised with a modern day face and stays well hidden within 'conventional debates',
    But when talk of protecting genetics inflates, your true colors shine through revealing your traits.
    A labeling debate keeps you safe as a lamb just like Monsanto survives such a convenient sham.
    All these points below you escape in the flow, but The DNA Protection Act makes your 'Nazi' heart show.

    Contemporary America Is Identical To Nazi Germany

    25 Signs That America Is Rapidly Becoming More Like Nazi Germany

    Operation Paperclip Casefile: New World Order and Nazi Germany




    Genetic engineering is springtime for Hitler Sherman123 and you prove it with every superior word you launch at me

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    Re: Rathi use your talent 4this project, godspeed', fly like a monarch'

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    Genetic engineering is springtime for Hitler Sherman123 and you prove it with every superior word you launch at me

    Congratulations! You just said the WORD OF THE DAY!


    The DNA Protection Act of 2013-groucho-marx-jpg



    Here's your prize....



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    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

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