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Thread: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Nice! A wikipedia article discussing a bacterial toxin that has absolutely nothing to do with genetically modified food!

    Protein.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Protein.
    Which is relevant why? Hemoglobin is also a protein. Many drugs target G-protein receptors. What does botulism have to do with genetically modified food?
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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Which is relevant why? Hemoglobin is also a protein. Many drugs target G-protein receptors. What does botulism have to do with genetically modified food?
    It has to do with many foods. We can't be too careful.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It has to do with many foods. We can't be too careful.
    Which is why we clean and cook our food... To remove many of the different bacterial species that might make us sick.

    How is this relevant to genetically modifying food? We could genetically modify a plant to have more of a natural antibiotic resistance to some pathogens, wouldn't that be a good thing?
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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Believe whatever tickles your fancy. Please address these points then.

    What protein product is dangerous?

    What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?

    Where did this come from?

    These should be fairly simple.
    digsbe I can only assure you of one thing, my answers to your queries will be far and away more viable than anything you have muttered in response to what I have posed to you.

    "What protein product is dangerous?"

    Answer:
    current human/empire/usa culture:
    "The 'scientific' west has a lot to learn from the mindset of the Native American people. The whole subject/object split would seem an illusion to many original americans. Objectifying things as is done in the west, makes them dead to the rest of the universe, and they become something to purely exploit and eventually ruin. This speech by Dan George, shows an understanding that all things are connected and part of the same evolving pattern that makes up the known and the unknown universe."


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    Old Lodge Skins: "Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference."




    "What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?"

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    Capitalism on the surface, but below the surface its a far more complex system of centralized controls and goals that are void of any notion of 'by the people for the people' etc and cares not of the ism's but for to play them out against each other in furthering their efforts...not unlike any cancer, it feeds on us all right up to the end and thats about as far as we 'count' in that mechanism which is applied and permeates throughout all aspects of the culture/empire, especially with respect to technologies such as genetic engineering. Like all things though, your miscalculations do and will come at a great price...I don't mind the battle, but I do mind what your world does to those who cannot fight...so stay tuned stoogbe...





    "Where did this come from?"

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    Historic data


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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    This is one reason why I do not trust social enginering programs by the government and/or corporations. They are in collision with each other.

    Va. eugenics program victims closer to payment | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Which is why we clean and cook our food... To remove many of the different bacterial species that might make us sick.

    How is this relevant to genetically modifying food? We could genetically modify a plant to have more of a natural antibiotic resistance to some pathogens, wouldn't that be a good thing?
    Oh my stoogbe the sweet talker...who can take a rainbow and mix it with a dream, who can serve it up like a bowl of sweet ice cream?
    Amazing how those who think they know something are so willing to apply such regardless of what they don't know...problem is exponentially worse in this case though because of the chain reactive nature of nature which is the one thing we do know that we know for sure...so the potential consequences of stoogbe's position based on disregarding the unknown in reach for what such a position thinks it knows is clearly at the expense and total disregard to everyone's human/natural self evident rights as well as everyone's health and safety...and what of the rest of the web of life stoogbe?
    Also stoogbe if you are that which you state below then how can we apply that here in a way that supports your arguements?

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    digsbe I can only assure you of one thing, my answers to your queries will be far and away more viable than anything you have muttered in response to what I have posed to you.

    "What protein product is dangerous?"

    Answer:
    current human/empire/usa culture:
    "The 'scientific' west has a lot to learn from the mindset of the Native American people. The whole subject/object split would seem an illusion to many original americans. Objectifying things as is done in the west, makes them dead to the rest of the universe, and they become something to purely exploit and eventually ruin. This speech by Dan George, shows an understanding that all things are connected and part of the same evolving pattern that makes up the known and the unknown universe."


    Jack Crabb: "Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?"
    Old Lodge Skins: "Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference."

    I don't think you understand what I'm asking. Go find just 1 primary research article that has identified a protein within a genetically modified food that has directly resulted from the genes put into the food that has been approved for consumption that is harmful.
    "What mechanism of action produces some kind of toxicity?"

    Answer:
    Capitalism on the surface, but below the surface its a far more complex system of centralized controls and goals that are void of any notion of 'by the people for the people' etc and cares not of the ism's but for to play them out against each other in furthering their efforts...not unlike any cancer, it feeds on us all right up to the end and thats about as far as we 'count' in that mechanism which is applied and permeates throughout all aspects of the culture/empire, especially with respect to technologies such as genetic engineering. Like all things though, your miscalculations do and will come at a great price...I don't mind the battle, but I do mind what your world does to those who cannot fight...so stay tuned stoogbe...





    "Where did this come from?"

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    Historic data

    My word... When a biologist asks about a mechanism of action we want to know how that protein works and what pathway it functions in, that should be a given when someone asks about a protein and then asks about its mechanism of action. I am discussing biology and genetics, none of what you have posted changes anything.

    What about the ability to transfect into cells genes that allow a good food source to grow in harsh climates? What about transfecting plants and animals with genes that make them resistant to certain diseases? What about cross breeding and modifying plants to have more nutritional value? What about the potential to grow more food with less resources that can be used to help stop starvation and lower the cost of food for everyone?
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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by DNAprotection View Post
    uh ok...um...Did you not see this article that was posted by two different people in this thread:
    Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
    Regulators Discover a Hidden Viral Gene in Commercial GMO Crops
    January 21, 2013 Biotechnology, Commentaries 42 Comments

    by Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson

    "How should a regulatory agency announce they have discovered something potentially very important about the safety of products they have been approving for over twenty years?

    In the course of analysis to identify potential allergens in GMO crops, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has belatedly discovered that the most common genetic regulatory sequence in commercial GMOs also encodes a significant fragment of a viral gene (Podevin and du Jardin 2012). This finding has serious ramifications for crop biotechnology and its regulation, but possibly even greater ones for consumers and farmers. This is because there are clear indications that this viral gene (called Gene VI) might not be safe for human consumption. It also may disturb the normal functioning of crops, including their natural pest resistance."

    Or maybe you just don't digsbe the science and lack there of = ignorance..."I'm always shocked by the ignorance surrounding genetic engineering"...yes that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
    ps...you and Harry should start a science haters forum, maybe even GC123 can join up, Harry and GC123 will need a new heads first of course
    The article is a joke. The Cauliflower mosaic virus promoter is deliberately introduced as part of the genetic modification process and fragments from the virus are to be expected. There is no evidence that the protein is expressed or that it would even be harmful if it was. The risk is likely higher for natural foods, as they are regularly infected by the full version of the Cauliflower mosaic virus.

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    Re: The DNA Protection Act of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think you understand what I'm asking. Go find just 1 primary research article that has identified a protein within a genetically modified food that has directly resulted from the genes put into the food that has been approved for consumption that is harmful.

    My word... When a biologist asks about a mechanism of action we want to know how that protein works and what pathway it functions in, that should be a given when someone asks about a protein and then asks about its mechanism of action. I am discussing biology and genetics, none of what you have posted changes anything.

    What about the ability to transfect into cells genes that allow a good food source to grow in harsh climates? What about transfecting plants and animals with genes that make them resistant to certain diseases? What about cross breeding and modifying plants to have more nutritional value? What about the potential to grow more food with less resources that can be used to help stop starvation and lower the cost of food for everyone?

    stoogbe aware that nothing you have written in the above quote comes anywhere near addressing what I have posed to you, in fact your only continuing to put forth inaccurate corporate propaganda that has no effect with respect to answering to the fact of the known and unknown unknowns and so at the end of the day it is you and Monsanto et al that cannot 'prove' that GMO's aren't harmful. In fact there is far less sureness about GMO's being 'safe' than there is about FDA approved drugs and 'medications' which are constantly recalled or discontinued because of the emerging unknowns and or unintended consequences or side effects of such. The potential consequences of GMO's are far greater than the isolated effects of drugs gone wrong.

    The talking points you do raise though I could have pasted here from Monsanto's own web site and so I hope you don't mind if I respond in kind...


    To your first ridicules suggestion the solution is simple, either grow what grows there or move...you just apparently want what you want and you want it now lol like that spoiled little wonka girl who fall down the bad egg hole...things grow where they grow for reasons and while you may assume you fully understand all those reasons and can then manipulate such, the truth is that you don't know all the reasons/numbers and therefore your equations are bound to fail in any case after enough time.


    Can GMOs Help End World Hunger?
    John Robbins: Can GMOs Help End World Hunger?

    Can Genetically Modified Food Feed the World?


    Cross breeding is not genetic engineering although I know it serves your purposes to believe such a thing, but to the point of compared nutrition:
    http://earthopensource.org/files/pdf...Truths_1.3.pdf

    Genetically modified food Food Fight The Truth About Genetically Modified Organisms



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