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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    And What 'You Choose To Remember'

    IS The Proper Turn Of Phrase

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    OK, but the OP claims 75% want term limits. Do you think they want term limits for everyone EXCEPT their chosen thief? Conundrum, eh?
    Yes, I do.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Again: I don't give a good Goddamn about how Rugged your Individualism is. The 'political class' as you call it is infinitely preferable to anything approaching either the direct democracy of the Left or the insipid populism of the Right - we need a governing class that is capable of governing.

    'Libertarianism' of the sort you want - where the House and Senate would have basically no function at all, where we'd elect officials and then do nothing with them - is beyond the American intent and experience, and will be forever.
    Hrm.. I like that: "a governing class that is capable of governing." Where do you suppose we could find one of those?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense, with no need or hope to run again he will set up "firends" with tons of pork to care for himself for the rest of his days. It is only in seeking re-election that they are forced to stay as honest as they do, without that mild pressure it is likely that total chaos would rule.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is an odd idea: if you do not like career politicians, don't vote for them. If I like a career politician, why should you be able to take my option to vote for them away?
    Because as of now, "playing ball" with big business in order to get the funding to be re-elected is exactly what the problem is.

    I happen to prefer a government that is for the people, by the people, and not something that is ruled by an elite class of politicians that see all of this as "us vs. them"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Absolutely not. I prefer to not have my choices to represent me arbitrarily limited.
    Good point.
    A year ago, I favored changing the Representatives from 2 to 4 years...Now I do not know.
    The politicians must clean their own house. Must Christie be the only one to speak out ???
    I think the big problem is those who answer " I do not care" . This has allowed the extremists to "run wild".

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    We would also have to term limit the congressional staff, least a senior staff position become the lasting power behind the throne.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Absolutely.

    But I don't think it would have as much impact as some believe. I would love to see them put an end to Lobbying, especially funded lobbying, except in the case of individuals seeking aid from Congress.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    No, I think the voters should decide. This would diminish the power of the people.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Because as of now, "playing ball" with big business in order to get the funding to be re-elected is exactly what the problem is.

    I happen to prefer a government that is for the people, by the people, and not something that is ruled by an elite class of politicians that see all of this as "us vs. them"
    Do you believe that influence would decrease simply from term limits?

    If anything, I think it would increase the problem. Lobbyists would focus on "up and coming" newbies instead of incumbents, and said newbies would be more naive and susceptible to influence. They would be virtually "hand chosen".

    If we want to achieve the goal of what you think term limits would do, the more effective route would be major campaign finance reform. My preferred method is "Can't vote... can't contribute.", meaning that unless you are a legal aged actual living breathing citizen who has the ability to actually cast a legal vote, then you cannot contribute money to any candidate or campaign. Period.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do you believe that influence would decrease simply from term limits?

    If anything, I think it would increase the problem. Lobbyists would focus on "up and coming" newbies instead of incumbents, and said newbies would be more naive and susceptible to influence. They would be virtually "hand chosen".

    If we want to achieve the goal of what you think term limits would do, the more effective route would be major campaign finance reform. My preferred method is "Can't vote... can't contribute.", meaning that unless you are a legal aged actual living breathing citizen who has the ability to actually cast a legal vote, then you cannot contribute money to any candidate or campaign. Period.
    I don't think there should be campaign contributions allowed at all. I think each candidate should be given an advertisement/campaigning voucher. The payment to say, the TV channel for the ad, would be a tax break for the amount.

    It should also be illegal for them to make a single cent more than their paycheck while in office.

    That way every candidate is on equal footing, lobbying is neutered, and it's not just the rich who can run for office.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    With our current 2 party system, I'd hate to see one party run the same guy up over and over. I honestly believe the Dems would run Pres Obama up there every 4 years for the next 20 years lol. Of course, maybe we could have seen a GWB vs BHO Presidential debate. That woulda been awesome.
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