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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm finding it somewhat amazing that almost everybody unquestionably believes we are living in a time of complete and devastatingly useless governance, yet won't get behind the idea of setting a limit to how long the incompetent boobs can stay in office.
    We aren't. There have been periods of far worse governance in the United States. The 1830s, for instance, when the Jackson appointees were out of office but a strong President hadn't come in to replace them yet. Or the 1920s.

    Why not limit the amount of power our "leaders" can have?
    The further down the chain you go, the more counterproductive limiting the power of a politician becomes. It's one thing to limit a President, because his powers are strong to begin with and he has no particular constituency to keep him in check. Your Representative, on the other hand, has a much more immediate link with you; by overly neutralizing his authority, you end up hurting yourself.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Oh senseless populism. How I dislike thee.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The issue is career politicians have become disconnected from their constituents. They get wrapped up in a powerful, elitist world, where even their own decisions don't effect them much.

    For an average, every day citizen who's exercising his short tenure as a politician, he realizes that in 2-4 years he's going to be an average citizen again, and as such, will tend to favor supporting the populace over supporting himself.
    If you want to cripple the House of Representatives, maybe I'll be more in favor of that, since if you want to try to placate the masses, that's where you ought to do it. But with the Senate, I prefer some good distance from the masses.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The issue is career politicians have become disconnected from their constituents. They get wrapped up in a powerful, elitist world, where even their own decisions don't effect them much.

    For an average, every day citizen who's exercising his short tenure as a politician, he realizes that in 2-4 years he's going to be an average citizen again, and as such, will tend to favor supporting the populace over supporting himself.
    This idea of the Mr. Smithian, yeoman farmer as citizen-representative is quaint, and it's probably what Jefferson and the like had when they first began imagining what sort of representation the country would have, but it's not tenable in anything but theory.

    A Representative is effective on the basis of how well he services his constituency; in particular, in the House, the concern is not - and ought not to be - immediately for the 'national good', but rather all 435 members are, and by design ought to be, more aligned with the basically non-ideological, functional needs of their districts. In order to serve them, he needs to have contacts in the so-called 'political class'; he needs seniority; he needs time to develop a portfolio, a record, to make himself predictable to his constituents. A term limit of two or four years automatically makes all 435 members of the House completely useless.

    I'd argue that it's actually more important that Representatives be less hampered, within the relatively limited scope of their authority, than Senators or Presidents. A Senator or President is more abstract, with much broader interests in mind. But a Representative is your life-link to the government. Neuter him and you neuter yourself.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    by overly neutralizing his authority, you end up hurting yourself.
    Yeah, um.....I don't see that at all.

    I'm in Delaware - think Joe Biden for decades and decades.....

    What if the term limits for Congress was 4 terms? Or 6 terms?

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post

    The further down the chain you go, the more counterproductive limiting the power of a politician becomes. It's one thing to limit a President, because his powers are strong to begin with and he has no particular constituency to keep him in check. Your Representative, on the other hand, has a much more immediate link with you; by overly neutralizing his authority, you end up hurting yourself.
    The bolded assumes that we want something from government, and there are a segment of us who do not. I don't vote for my reps based on my wanting something. I vote for whomever I think will try to minimize the role of government in my life.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Yeah, um.....I don't see that at all.

    I'm in Delaware - think Joe Biden for decades and decades.....

    What if the term limits for Congress was 4 terms? Or 6 terms?

    Biden was a Senator. His purview was the national arena, and, for that matter, he was extremely effective in matters of foreign affairs.

    Your Representative - your local member of the House - is much more relevant in your life than your Senator, and far more so than your President.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The bolded assumes that we want something from government, and there are a segment of us who do not. I don't vote for my reps based on my wanting something. I vote for whomever I think will try to minimize the role of government in my life.
    That's fine and everything, but utterly irrelevant. You can shriek hither and yonder about how libertarian and freedom-lovin' you are, and at the end of the day your district still sucks up the pork like any other. It's not an ideological concern; God knows I'm sympathetic in the abstract to banning earmarks and the like. It's a matter of "how does this country actually function, independent of all ideologies?".

    The most pork-leaden districts in the United States are those Southern pastoral ones that rely on massive farm subsidies - and still shout at the top of their lungs how they want to "minimize the role of government in [their] lives". The basic functions of the United States are beyond ideology.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    presidential : yes.

    congress : no.

    congressional term limits let voters off the hook.

    the solution I prefer is this : tie congressional pay, vacation, and benefits to the national average.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the solution I prefer is this : tie congressional pay, vacation, and benefits to the national average.
    Congratulations: you've just guaranteed a poor man will never be elected to Congress, and you've made Congress even more dependent on the benefits they accrue from lobbyists.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    This idea of the Mr. Smithian, yeoman farmer as citizen-representative is quaint, and it's probably what Jefferson and the like had when they first began imagining what sort of representation the country would have, but it's not tenable in anything but theory.

    A Representative is effective on the basis of how well he services his constituency; in particular, in the House, the concern is not - and ought not to be - immediately for the 'national good', but rather all 435 members are, and by design ought to be, more aligned with the basically non-ideological, functional needs of their districts. In order to serve them, he needs to have contacts in the so-called 'political class'; he needs seniority; he needs time to develop a portfolio, a record, to make himself predictable to his constituents. A term limit of two or four years automatically makes all 435 members of the House completely useless.

    I'd argue that it's actually more important that Representatives be less hampered, within the relatively limited scope of their authority, than Senators or Presidents. A Senator or President is more abstract, with much broader interests in mind. But a Representative is your life-link to the government. Neuter him and you neuter yourself.
    The government is not the power tit that I am trying to suck on. When a representative is more concerned about his career than his constituents, something is horribly wrong. If all politicians came from, and returned to "common folk", we'd have a lot less of the political elitism we have today.
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