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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Now I could get behind this, if it were voluntary on the part of the Parties. If they could come to a gentleman's agreement on the subject - fat chance - and create a binding compact between them to deny funding to any Congressional candidate after their first term, giving them a chance to sink or swim on their own... that could make things interesting.
    I suspect that most in favor of these limits are simply frustrated that either their own party or, much more likely, the other party, has a loon in office that they wish to oust but cannot do so.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Absolutely not. I think career politicians is the worst idea on the planet. The system was designed to be for the people, by the people. Our politicians should be average citizens who temporarily serve their country. Not the rich, career assholes they are now.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Confirms my theory that at least 75% of the general population are idiots.
    So anyone who opposes career politicians is an idiot? It's that very same reason that our politicians are more concerned with their careers and playing ball with each other than actually representing their constituents.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Nope. Might be an unpopular stance, but I feel it serves only to absolve voters of their responsibility and seemingly their preference as well:

    2012 reelection rate: 90 percent - POLITICO.com
    94% if you count those voluntarily stepping down as not being replaced "involuntarily" by the voters.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Not only should there be term limits there should also be a five year waiting period before someone can run for a different office.For example someone who was a senator should wait 5 years before being allowed to run for president,mayor,congressmen, or some other elected or appointed office.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yup.


    3 House, 2 Senate, 2 Pres, and a 24 yr lifetime total limit for any and all elective offices higher than "mayor".

    I'd also like to see a required 4 year waiting period between "having held one office" and "running for a new one".

    Our professional politicial class has proven itself a dismal failure.
    Or a complete success, depending on your definition, of course.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not only should there be term limits there should also be a five year waiting period before someone can run for a different office.For example someone who was a senator should wait 5 years before being allowed to run for president,mayor,congressmen, or some other elected or appointed office.
    This is dumb, but especially the mandatory waiting period is absolutely unworkable. It's arbitrary - why five years? Why not three? Or seven? - and doesn't have any sort of a rationale behind it.

    Politicians being 'insiders' is actually a good thing, and political 'outsiders' are generally kept outside for a reason. You absolutely want your Representative to have as many contacts as possible, in order to accomplish more for his district. And you want a skilled and connected politician who represents you to advance in the political arena.

    It sounds good to say, "grr! meany politician doo-doo heads!". But when it comes to your representation in Congress, would you ever want him to be anything but the most effective, on-the-ball Representative anybody's ever seen? Would you vote to neuter and emasculate him politically?

    No, of course not. The only reason you'd ever do so is because you're represented by a member of the other Party, and then you'd only support doing so until your guy got in.

    And well you shouldn't. You should want strong representation that commands as many resources as possible. That's logical, and in accord with the design of our competitive system of representation.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Yes, I support term limits for all elected representatives. Two terms, just like the president is limited to. I think it would help keep politicians honest, and not beholden to special interest groups.
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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    I'm finding it somewhat amazing that almost everybody unquestionably believes we are living in a time of complete and devastatingly useless governance, yet won't get behind the idea of setting a limit to how long the incompetent boobs can stay in office.

    Why is it perfectly fine for the President, but not for others in power?

    It is power you know.

    Why not limit the amount of power our "leaders" can have?

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'm finding it somewhat amazing that almost everybody unquestionably believes we are living in a time of complete and devastatingly useless governance, yet won't get behind the idea of setting a limit to how long the incompetent boobs can stay in office.

    Why is it perfectly fine for the President, but not for others in power?

    It is power you know.

    Why not limit the amount of power our "leaders" can have?
    Simple for me really, I would rather limit the number of times a person can vote in their life---they'll think more carefully about the idiot they are voting for.

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    Re: 75% Prefer Term Limits - Do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    This is dumb, but especially the mandatory waiting period is absolutely unworkable. It's arbitrary - why five years? Why not three? Or seven? - and doesn't have any sort of a rationale behind it.

    Politicians being 'insiders' is actually a good thing, and political 'outsiders' are generally kept outside for a reason. You absolutely want your Representative to have as many contacts as possible, in order to accomplish more for his district. And you want a skilled and connected politician who represents you to advance in the political arena.

    It sounds good to say, "grr! meany politician doo-doo heads!". But when it comes to your representation in Congress, would you ever want him to be anything but the most effective, on-the-ball Representative anybody's ever seen? Would you vote to neuter and emasculate him politically?

    No, of course not. The only reason you'd ever do so is because you're represented by a member of the other Party, and then you'd only support doing so until your guy got in.

    And well you shouldn't. You should want strong representation that commands as many resources as possible. That's logical, and in accord with the design of our competitive system of representation.
    The issue is career politicians have become disconnected from their constituents. They get wrapped up in a powerful, elitist world, where even their own decisions don't effect them much.

    For an average, every day citizen who's exercising his short tenure as a politician, he realizes that in 2-4 years he's going to be an average citizen again, and as such, will tend to favor supporting the populace over supporting himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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