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Was Ronald Reagan a worse traitor to his Party than Chris Christie is to his?

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  • Yes

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • No

    Votes: 8 88.9%
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I'm simply curious if those who believe that a member of a Party must always stick with that Party on all issues, all the time feel the same about Reagan as they do about Christie.

 
Reagan was a sock puppet who believed all those around him had his interest at heart. Well intentioned and well spoken, but utterly inept when it came to decision making, especially in his second term.
 
Naw, the OP is truly desperate in the comparison given the time span between Reagan's statement and when he ran.

Reagan was a Democrat when he endorsed Truman. Christie is a Republican when he endorsed Obama after endorsing Romney, and since has engaged singularly in attacking Republicans, without the decency to switch parties.

The Democrats should make Christie their 2016 presidential candidate given how now to them the is the quinessentially honest and exactly correct on everything politician.
 
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Fisher said:
Reagan was a sock puppet who believed all those around him had his interest at heart. Well intentioned and well spoken, but utterly inept when it came to decision making, especially in his second term.
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I don't disagree, but I'm more curious about the possible comparison between Christie - still a Republican, despite his dismay with the Party - and Ronald Reagan - who bolted his Party when they became too unpalatable to him.
 
Einzige said:
I'm simply curious if those who believe that a member of a Party must always stick with that Party on all issues, all the time feel the same about Reagan as they do about Christie.
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It doesn't work like that, not with either party. The presidents who take the office and then actually lead their parties become the party standard - it's what makes them one of the "greats". All that they did before is then seen through that lens. Christie doesn't have that sort of reach, that sort of potential.
 
clownboy said:
It doesn't work like that, not with either party. The presidents who take the office and then actually lead their parties become the party standard - it's what makes them one of the "greats". All that they did before is then seen through that lens. Christie doesn't have that sort of reach, that sort of potential.
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Ronald Reagan wasn't even a Governor when he bolted for the Republicans, let alone a "President who (took) the office" and then led his Party. He was at least as traitorous as Christie - unless you mean to tell me that internal dissent is worse than leaving for an external Party.
 
Einzige said:
I'm simply curious if those who believe that a member of a Party must always stick with that Party on all issues, all the time feel the same about Reagan as they do about Christie.

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In 1948, and up until 1962, Reagan was a Democrat. So campaigning for Truman was party loyalty to his party at the time.
 
rocket88 said:
In 1948, and up until 1962, Reagan was a Democrat. So campaigning for Truman was party loyalty to his party at the time.
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I post a video to make the point that Reagan was a Democrat in good standing for years -- as long as Christie has been a known Republican.
 
So let me get this straight: it's less an act of betrayal to up and leave a political Party than it is to simply criticize the direction it's going in?

Really? You genuinely believe that, or you simply want to spare Reagan any and all criticism?
 
Einzige said:
I post a video to make the point that Reagan was a Democrat in good standing for years -- as long as Christie has been a known Republican.
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Traitor to party though would be going against his party. Until he switched, he did the loyal Democrat thing. After that, he did the loyal Republican thing.

I don't think it's bad for a politician to change parties if the party's views no longer reflect his own. In fact, I think that shows more integrity than staying a member of that party.
 
Einzige said:
I don't disagree, but I'm more curious about the possible comparison between Christie - still a Republican, despite his dismay with the Party - and Ronald Reagan - who bolted his Party when they became too unpalatable to him.
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Christie is just in a tight-spot with the day to day demands from the disaster. I think of more of a smartass than a republican or democrat. It is the left who praises him, not the right, but they would never embrace him for more than a second just to score some cheap political points.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't think it's bad for a politician to change parties if the party's views no longer reflect his own. In fact, I think that shows more integrity than staying a member of that party.
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I disagree, particularly during the era in which Reagan was a member of both Parties, when you had much less sharply defined ideological boundaries between the two Parties (liberal and conservative/Boll Weevil Democrats, conservative and Rockefeller Republicans existed in equal amounts). Reagan could have been as effective a spokesman for conservative Democrats as he ended up becoming for conservative Republicans.
 
Reagan in fact did publicly switch parties not while in office and before he held office.

Christie is in office nor has he switched parties. He praised the Democratic candidate for president as "doing a great job!" - although at that point Obama had done NOTHING - and after Christy was Romney's keynote speaker who introduced him - and then Christie boycotted ALL Romney's events - and since has condemned Republicans in Congress for not going along with pork-barrel and big government add-ons to legislation Cristie wanted.

There is no comparison and in my opinion your poll is absurd and rank partisan hackery because it is so absurd as a comparison.
 
Reagan was a Democrat when he endorsed Truman. Christie is a Republican when he endorsed Obama after endorsing Romney, and since has engaged singularly in attacking Republicans, without the decency to switch parties.
 
joko104 said:
Reagan was a Democrat when he endorsed Truman. Christie is a Republican when he endorsed Obama after endorsing Romney, and since has engaged singularly in attacking Republicans, without the decency to switch parties.
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Christie never endorsed Obama, anymore than Bill Clinton praising Ronald Reagan during the 1992 primaries as a promotion of his 'New Democratic' philosophy was a retroactive endorsement of Ronald Reagan.

If Christie endorsed Obama for re-election, it's news to me. Feel free to post a link to his endorsement.
 
Einzige said:
Christie never endorsed Obama, anymore than Bill Clinton praising Ronald Reagan during the 1992 primaries as a promotion of his 'New Democratic' philosophy was a retroactive endorsement of Ronald Reagan.

If Christie endorsed Obama for re-election, it's news to me. Feel free to post a link to his endorsement.
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Declaring that Obama "is doing a great job" was an endorsement. Then Christie boycotted all Romney rallies after that even if just down the road. Since then, Christie had attacked the entire Republican delegation in the House of Representatives in toto - rather than criticizing Democrats for loading on piles of money for government agencies onto a relief bill for the public.

Your trying to compair this to Reagan, and then declaring Reagan more a "traitor" because 2 decades later he switched parties is absurd. In fact, Reagan's "11th commandment" was to not attack officials and candidates within your own political party.

Christie doesn't even have the decency to switch parties given his condemnation of 100% of Republicans in Congress.
 
The parties be damned, its us, the people who count. We have too many politicians who, in their zeal, screw the people but kowtow to the NRA, or to the "no tax increases" extremists or to the extremist manifestoes..
Reagan did the right thing at the time, he was a democrat, why he switched - a mystery..
 
joko104 said:
Reagan was a Democrat when he endorsed Truman. Christie is a Republican when he endorsed Obama after endorsing Romney, and since has engaged singularly in attacking Republicans, without the decency to switch parties.
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I don't think Christie ever endorsed Obama, it just felt that way to Cons.
 
Christie declaring that President Obama "is doing a great job" is a compliment.
Christie stating that he endorses Obama is the endorsement.
Lets not get things mixed up, lets not "read between the lines".
The traitors are those who place ideology above the people.
 
joko104 said:
Christie is a Republican when he endorsed Obama
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I missed when Christie endorsed Obama....when was that?

Now I think Reagan was a Progressive Republican who used a strong tack toward the ultra-conservative right wing as well as a faux 'New Dawn' montage to gain the White House. A B-grade actor he none the less could use a teleprompter like no one else, could turn a phrase and deliver sappy pap and make the Middle Class buy it.

Trickle Down Theory- warm piss was never so well delivered. :roll:

After an adult lifetime not going to Church, there he was in the front pew, quite literally. But he was a Progressive fiscally as he floated his American Empire on the back of his generation's grandchildren.
 
Einzige said:
I'm simply curious if those who believe that a member of a Party must always stick with that Party on all issues, all the time feel the same about Reagan as they do about Christie.

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I like Chris Christie a lot. Right now, the Republican Party isn't going to get back into office with guys who stick strictly to party lines. Rather, what the Republican party needs is a maverick, someone with a no BS demeanor and who gets things done. My money is on Christie being the 2016 nominee.
 
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