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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    How about a well armed counselor? A retired police hostage negotiator would be my choice.

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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    I'd say both. Counselors offer prevention, but let's face it, we need a contingency plan. When a whackjob enters a gun-free zone toting an AR-15, it ain't gun-free anymore.

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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    I'd say both. Counselors offer prevention, but let's face it, we need a contingency plan. When a whackjob enters a gun-free zone toting an AR-15, it ain't gun-free anymore.
    So that is the type of firearm mostly used in mass shootings? Not other rifles, shotguns, and hand guns?
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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So that is the type of firearm mostly used in mass shootings? Not other rifles, shotguns, and hand guns?
    Way to nitpick instead of looking at the underlying point. Why don't I list every single gun that could possibly be used in a shooting? I used a specific model of weapon because that's what came out first. It's like when I was writing an editorial for a school newspaper awhile back, about the merits of arming teachers in schools, and I used the line "The result would not be 120 trigger-happy rednecks running around the hallways blasting shotguns" and the newspaper adviser made me change it because she thought I was calling her a redneck.

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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    I think both would be beneficial actually. I'm not sure about most schools, but the 'counselors' at my high school were career/guidance counselors. They had no training in dealing with psychological issues. I think having people with some psychological training in schools would be extremely beneficial.

    Something else that would help is for schools to crack down much harder on bullying.
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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    There are two armed security guards at my children's high school and have been for years prior. I don't think it's harmful to have that presence at all. My experience with school counselors hasn't been that great, and I don't understand why we would need more counselors? What exactly, would a counselor do to protect the school - students, faculty, etc...? Talk to those troubled youth that may be bringing a weapon to school? We've seen how well that works, since it would take an adult to alert a counselor to a students issues that may cause a problem.... how many troubled youth are going to go willingly to a counselor? Anyone want to throw a number in there? Columbine... how many adults stated AFTER the fact, that those kids had emotional problems and how many of those adults DID something about it?

    I would like to know from those who are advocating for more counselors, their reason behind that thought. Is it pre-emptive, is it to deal with the aftermath of some looney tune that barges their way into an unprotected school and shoots people up? Is it to weed out those students (or adults from the community?!) who may go 'postal'?
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    Re: Counselors or Security Officers

    Okay, I'm not sure about all you "We need more counselors" type of people, but I've actually been in high school within the last 2 years, and the counselors at my school weren't worth the money they were being paid when in came to emotional/psychological troubles. I come from a not-so-great background, and anytime I needed to see a counselor, he/she was always "busy" or told me "It'll get better" without offering any real advice as to handle my situation. So "More Counselors", at least from my experience, isn't an effective solution. However, my school had 3 armed guards. You know how many violent outbursts we had? One. And guess what? Those police officers put a stop to that **** in 2 minutes.
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