Counselors or Security Officers

Looking at Obama's Executive Orders. Which would you prefer at your childs school. A well trained gun toting Security Officer or another counselor

Speaking as a son of a former Special-Ed counselor, I'd say we need both. :\

I say counselor. Why have someone neutralize the situation with bullets when you can just as easily have someone tell a gunman to "calm down" and talk some reason to them.

I imagine that works well against people who would shoot automatic weapons at public locales.

From elementary school to high school, we always had like 2 police officers on campus. And that's how most of the schools in the area were barring the private ones which I can't speak for.

Schools are remarkably safe, so counselors are actually useful.

Redress said:

Schools are remarkably safe, so counselors are actually useful.

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But, we still need the 100% w/enforcement background checks AND the ban on civilian ownership of assault weapons.
The counselors, I think are needed....if I had the services of one back in the previous century, things may have been better...
The conservatives/libertarians are probably against all of this.
And, I hold that our schools can be safe without guns and bullets, as opposed to the NRA tenets.

earthworm said:

But, we still need the 100% w/enforcement background checks AND the ban on civilian ownership of assault weapons.
The counselors, I think are needed....if I had the services of one back in the previous century, things may have been better...
The conservatives/libertarians are probably against all of this.
And, I hold that our schools can be safe without guns and bullets, as opposed to the NRA tenets.

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It's just so cute that anyone wanting to self-defend with a firearm is some NRA stooge.

Can I accuse all leftists of being idiotic ACLU mouthpieces?

GmH said:

Looking at Obama's Executive Orders. Which would you prefer at your childs school. A well trained gun toting Security Officer or another counselor

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I think most of the mass shootings have occurred at places with Counselors and most schools have counselors,at least they did when I was in school. I would prefer that there be plenty of well trained gun toting security officers or even several or more teachers with concealed carry permits depending on the size of school campus and how many separate buildings are on that campus.One armed security guard or officer is useless if a shooting happens on the opposite side of the campus.The goal of having armed personnel at schools should be deter mass shootings and if worst comes to worst then their goal should be is to minimize the casualties by being able to quickly take out that individual who is trying to massacre the school.

earthworm said:

But, we still need the 100% w/enforcement background checks

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Diddn't the last shooter steal his weapon and the other shooters have a legal right to buy their firearms and therefore passed background checks? So it seems that the discusion of back ground checks is irrelelvent to the how to stop or prevent mass shooting debate.

AND the ban on civilian ownership of assault weapons.

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Can you actually define an assault weapon?

And, I hold that our schools can be safe without guns and bullets, as opposed to the NRA tenets.

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All these mass shootings have occurred in places where people are generally disarmed(even the fort hoot shooting). So apparently you are full of **** when you say a school can be safe without guns and bullets.

Counselors don't solve much, so extra protection is needed. Some teens are just confused beyond fix due to family bring up. We should stop worrying about the guns so much and worry more on the way families are raising their children. Strong, well placed morals would fix all of this.

How about a well armed counselor? A retired police hostage negotiator would be my choice.

I'd say both. Counselors offer prevention, but let's face it, we need a contingency plan. When a whackjob enters a gun-free zone toting an AR-15, it ain't gun-free anymore.

Vapor said:

I'd say both. Counselors offer prevention, but let's face it, we need a contingency plan. When a whackjob enters a gun-free zone toting an AR-15, it ain't gun-free anymore.

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So that is the type of firearm mostly used in mass shootings? Not other rifles, shotguns, and hand guns?

jamesrage said:

So that is the type of firearm mostly used in mass shootings? Not other rifles, shotguns, and hand guns?

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Way to nitpick instead of looking at the underlying point. Why don't I list every single gun that could possibly be used in a shooting? I used a specific model of weapon because that's what came out first. It's like when I was writing an editorial for a school newspaper awhile back, about the merits of arming teachers in schools, and I used the line "The result would not be 120 trigger-happy rednecks running around the hallways blasting shotguns" and the newspaper adviser made me change it because she thought I was calling her a redneck.

Moral of the story? Don't read too far into things.

I think both would be beneficial actually. I'm not sure about most schools, but the 'counselors' at my high school were career/guidance counselors. They had no training in dealing with psychological issues. I think having people with some psychological training in schools would be extremely beneficial.

Something else that would help is for schools to crack down much harder on bullying.

There are two armed security guards at my children's high school and have been for years prior. I don't think it's harmful to have that presence at all. My experience with school counselors hasn't been that great, and I don't understand why we would need more counselors? What exactly, would a counselor do to protect the school - students, faculty, etc...? Talk to those troubled youth that may be bringing a weapon to school? We've seen how well that works, since it would take an adult to alert a counselor to a students issues that may cause a problem.... how many troubled youth are going to go willingly to a counselor? Anyone want to throw a number in there? Columbine... how many adults stated AFTER the fact, that those kids had emotional problems and how many of those adults DID something about it?

I would like to know from those who are advocating for more counselors, their reason behind that thought. Is it pre-emptive, is it to deal with the aftermath of some looney tune that barges their way into an unprotected school and shoots people up? Is it to weed out those students (or adults from the community?!) who may go 'postal'?

Okay, I'm not sure about all you "We need more counselors" type of people, but I've actually been in high school within the last 2 years, and the counselors at my school weren't worth the money they were being paid when in came to emotional/psychological troubles. I come from a not-so-great background, and anytime I needed to see a counselor, he/she was always "busy" or told me "It'll get better" without offering any real advice as to handle my situation. So "More Counselors", at least from my experience, isn't an effective solution. However, my school had 3 armed guards. You know how many violent outbursts we had? One. And guess what? Those police officers put a stop to that **** in 2 minutes.