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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Wait...this was a legitimate thread? Oh ok. I guess I can throw out a response.

    I would lean toward blacks. I don't think the "liberal ideology" can be necessarily viewed as bad, but I think it's prone to corruption, entitlement, and shirking of responsibility in most levels. However, I think that can be overcome. I think black culture plays a big part in perpetuating what I said above, but the main thing is that I don't think they want that to change or be overcome.

    Blacks are their own worst enemies, and their culture if self-destructive and designed to keep them at the bottom.
    Your substitution of blacks, for many participants in welfare programs (that are mostly not black), makes race appear to be a deciding factor as to whether to jump aboard the welfare gravy train and ride it as long as possible. That is a rediculous and false assertion. Many strikes are against those stuck in "the hood", the biggest are crime (mostly drug/gang driven), poor educational facilities and lack of any decent job prospects. The best social program improvement, that I can think of, is simply removing folks, on a strictly volunteer basis, similar to the witness protection program and giving them a shot at life outside of "the hood"; a simple hand up, not an endless subsidy in the worst possible place.
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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are in an entirely different situation and are not liberal as the US liberal sees the term.
    Yeah that's true. Because of oil, they can get away with some raging liberal stuff. I do think that most American liberals, if they saw their system, would give it a "thumbs up" though.

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah that's true. Because of oil, they can get away with some raging liberal stuff. I do think that most American liberals, if they saw their system, would give it a "thumbs up" though.
    I don't think so. They have restrictions on personal liberty we would not accept.
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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The beauty of liberalism as an ideology is that it benefits every one, white, black, hispanic, asian, rich, poor, urban or rural.
    Doesn't almost every ideology say this?

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your substitution of blacks, for many participants in welfare programs (that are mostly not black), makes race appear to be a deciding factor as to whether to jump aboard the welfare gravy train and ride it as long as possible. That is a rediculous and false assertion. Many strikes are against those stuck in "the hood", the biggest are crime (mostly drug/gang driven), poor educational facilities and lack of any decent job prospects. The best social program improvement, that I can think of. is simply removing folks, on a strictly volunteer basis, similar to the witness protection program and giving them a shot at life outside of "the hood".
    Do they want that though? I don't see much in white culture that revels in living within the confines of poverty and violence. In white culture, I don't think "thug" and "gangsta" and "pimp" are compliments like they are amongst blacks.

    Is the system I described not racial? Absolutely not. You see poverty-stricken whites all over the place. I guess I just see a larger effort for them to get "out of the trailer parks" than I do blacks for getting "out of the hood". Could I be wrong? Absolutely. It's still what I see though.

    To me, it's just about who's willing to pull themselves up and out by the bootstraps. Anyone willing to do that, I'm more than willing to see them halfway.

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are in an entirely different situation and are not liberal as the US liberal sees the term.

    The state in which you live has more people than the most populous Scandinavian country for starters, as well as its having a much more heterogeneous population.
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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    The subject is so ripe for discussion that already we have some very good posts dealing with a broad spectrum of the racial issue in addition to a strict adherence to the poll question, which is whether libs are more concerned with their own ideology or with the Black condition?

    Because of Liberal ideology we have cities like Detroit.

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Do they want that though? I don't see much in white culture that revels in living within the confines of poverty and violence. In white culture, I don't think "thug" and "gangsta" and "pimp" are compliments like they are amongst blacks.

    Is the system I described not racial? Absolutely not. You see poverty-stricken whites all over the place. I guess I just see a larger effort for them to get "out of the trailer parks" than I do blacks for getting "out of the hood". Could I be wrong? Absolutely. It's still what I see though.

    To me, it's just about who's willing to pull themselves up and out by the bootstraps. Anyone willing to do that, I'm more than willing to see them halfway.
    A much improved wording than the post to which I repied, thank you. To answer your question, yes. Not all, but certainly many, would give up the "security" of a ghetto life if that option were offered. The reason that many remain in the "trailer park" or "urban hood" is that is simply where they are and the benefits recieved are based upon that alone.

    Try going to the public assitance office and asking for a money to buy a car, cover three months rent at 3x your current rate, a reasonable amount for food and temporary living expenses and help in finding employment anywhere outside of that zip code. Tell them that you are willing to risk it all for that chance and promise to never return and ask for another dime of public assistance. When the laughter susbsides and after they recommend a drug treatment program, they will tell you that no such service/program exists, since liberals have not allowed that option.

    You can easily get funding to maintain your current dead end lifestyle, cowering behind bars in the projects, but that is it, no escape is possible and each year your children fall further behind in their "advertised" educational level, get more tempted by the "benefits" of a criminal lifestyle (or having a baby to get "their own place") and see that "choice" as better than a part-time McJob or working at the truck stop.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?
    OK, lemme explain this as clear as I can. Liberalism--classical liberalism--favors free markets, i. e. capitalism.

    In a capitalist system, stealing is not allowed. Stealing is when you take something that doesn't belong to you, including your someone's personal freedom, without justification (as opposed to in retaliation for another person stealing from you).

    So when a person, private organization, or government takes and/or screws up your property and freedom without your permission, you are expected to be compensated by the person/organization/organization who stole it or messed it up.

    200 years ago, Blacks were forcibly taken from Africa against their will, forced into cramped cargo areas of boats, and transported to the Americas without justification by the US government.

    Therefore, in accordance w/capitalism, they must be compensated, or else they're entitled to retaliate against that government for theft of freedom.

    Liberalism is where no one gets a free lunch Not even the government.

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    Re: Which most concerns Libs? The Black condition or Liberal ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Doesn't almost every ideology say this?
    True.
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