View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isnít perfect, but no compromise is.

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  • No. I donít mind some compromise, but this still takes away too much.

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  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

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  • No. This still gives too many gun ownership privileges.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Hmhhh thought it was quiet around here.

    Did the word "conspiracy" go over your head? Are you posting that joke of a site as a serious source?

    The stats are listed as coming from the FBI.

    But fine... here are more links for your enjoyment saying the same damn thing...

    Woodhugger Engineering web logs: You Do The Math - Death By Gun vs Hammer

    FBI: More Club and Hammer Homicides than Rifle - The John Birch Society

    FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year than Rifles"]FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year than Rifles[/URL]

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Here...to start with before I go...

    Overview...
    ...Of the homicides for which the FBI received weapons data, most (67.5 percent) involved the use of firearms. Handguns comprised 68.5 percent of the firearms used in murders and nonnegligent manslaughters in 2010. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 8.) FBI — Expanded Homicide Data
    FBI — Table 20

    Table 20
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    by State, Types of Weapons, 2011

    Data Declaration
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    State Total
    murders1 Total
    firearms Handguns Rifles Shotguns Firearms
    (type
    unknown) Knives or
    cutting
    instruments Other
    weapons Hands, fists,
    feet, etc.2
    Alaska 29 16 5 0 3 8 6 5 2
    Arizona 339 222 165 14 9 34 49 59 9
    Arkansas 153 110 52 4 6 48 22 17 4
    California 1,790 1,220 866 45 50 259 261 208 101
    Colorado 147 73 39 3 5 26 22 31 21
    Connecticut 128 94 54 1 1 38 18 10 6
    Delaware 41 28 18 0 3 7 8 2 3
    District of Columbia 108 77 37 0 1 39 21 9 1
    Georgia 522 370 326 16 16 12 61 83 8
    Hawaii 7 1 0 1 0 0 2 1 3
    Idaho 32 17 15 1 0 1 4 8 3
    Illinois3 452 377 364 1 5 7 29 29 17
    Indiana 284 183 115 9 12 47 36 43 22
    Iowa 44 19 7 0 2 10 10 10 5
    Kansas 110 73 31 3 5 34 11 16 10
    Kentucky 150 100 77 6 5 12 13 24 13
    Louisiana 485 402 372 10 8 12 28 29 26
    Maine 25 12 3 1 1 7 4 7 2
    Maryland 398 272 262 2 5 3 75 34 17
    Massachusetts 183 122 52 0 1 69 30 22 9
    Michigan 613 450 267 29 15 139 43 89 31
    Minnesota 70 43 36 3 3 1 12 12 3
    Mississippi 187 138 121 6 4 7 26 14 9
    Missouri 364 276 158 13 9 96 28 42 18
    Montana 18 7 2 3 1 1 4 5 2
    Nebraska 65 42 35 2 1 4 7 9 7
    Nevada 129 75 46 2 1 26 20 25 9
    New Hampshire 16 6 1 2 1 2 4 6 0
    New Jersey 379 269 238 1 5 25 51 41 18
    New Mexico 121 60 45 2 2 11 21 32 8
    New York 774 445 394 5 16 30 160 143 26
    North Carolina 489 335 235 26 19 55 60 57 37
    North Dakota 12 6 3 0 0 3 4 0 2
    Ohio 488 344 187 8 13 136 44 80 20
    Oklahoma 204 131 99 8 9 15 26 21 26
    Oregon 77 40 13 1 2 24 22 10 5
    Pennsylvania 636 470 379 8 19 64 73 66 27
    Rhode Island 14 5 1 0 0 4 5 4 0
    South Carolina 319 223 126 10 12 75 38 40 18
    South Dakota 15 5 3 1 0 1 4 3 3
    Tennessee 373 244 172 7 13 52 51 62 16
    Texas 1,089 699 497 37 48 117 175 134 81
    Utah 51 26 15 4 1 6 5 9 11
    Vermont 8 4 2 0 0 2 2 2 0
    Virginia 303 208 110 10 15 73 33 41 21
    Washington 161 79 58 1 3 17 29 36 17
    West Virginia 74 43 23 10 3 7 11 13 7
    Wisconsin 135 80 60 7 3 10 21 13 21
    Wyoming 15 11 7 0 0 4 0 1 3
    Virgin Islands 38 31 27 0 0 4 5 2 0

    1 Total number of murders for which supplemental homicide data were received.
    2 Pushed is included in hands, fists, feet, etc.
    3 Limited supplemental homicide data were received
    Check the link....or maybe a Mod can fix the formatting to make it read well.
    Last edited by Viv; 01-20-13 at 05:37 PM.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by karpenter View Post
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    Nothing there that means a thing to me.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    In a gun free community, he will stun you.
    LOL I'd shoot him with one of my crossbows or fillet him with a Katana. even prisons aren't gun free

    why do you deal with fantasies

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    What I don't understand is why anyone think these matter.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Look at those death rates from states with big minority populations. No gun problem overall,
    big race problem.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL I'd shoot him with one of my crossbows or fillet him with a Katana. even prisons aren't gun free

    why do you deal with fantasies
    Yes right. You think you're going to skewer someone with a crossbow, fillet him with Katanas and you're going to live to tell a smug tale.

    Have you heard of law enforcement?

    In the real world, you are not able to do any of those things with equanimity as you are going to jail. That you will ever use any of your strange weapons on another human being is fantasy.

    But keep spending your money. It's keeping the economy afloat...or not...

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What I don't understand is why anyone think these matter.
    He is linking to inaccurate statistics. It matters that right wing rednecks and NRA may use inaccurate stats as propaganda to negatively influence popular opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Longstreet View Post
    Look at those death rates from states with big minority populations. No gun problem overall,
    big race problem.
    This proves the point...it matters a bit...

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Yes right. You think you're going to skewer someone with a crossbow, fillet him with Katanas and you're going to live to tell a smug tale.

    Have you heard of law enforcement?

    In the real world, you are not able to do any of those things with equanimity as you are going to jail. That you will ever use any of your strange weapons on another human being is fantasy.

    But keep spending your money. It's keeping the economy afloat...or not...
    Uh you are confused again. there is no such thing as a gun free community and a stun gun is worthless against stuff like swords or crossbows. as to cops-that is irrelevant to your silly rant



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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    He is linking to inaccurate statistics. It matters that right wing rednecks and NRA may use inaccurate stats as propaganda to negatively influence popular opinion.



    This proves the point...it matters a bit...
    the average NRA member is both better educated and more affluent than the average voter. while it might comfort the timid gun haters to call NRA members "rednecks" its rather stupid because the odds are an NRA member makes more than the gun hater does and is better educated



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