View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isnít perfect, but no compromise is.

    12 12.90%
  • No. I donít mind some compromise, but this still takes away too much.

    13 13.98%
  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

    61 65.59%
  • No. This still gives too many gun ownership privileges.

    4 4.30%
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, you have explained your "unique" understanding of what the founders meant when they used the word infringed.

    Now all you have to do is to produce a constitutional scholar who agrees with you, and maybe, just maybe, someone will begin to actually take you seriously.
    I have done better. I have produced the original meaning of the Founders. that trumps the opinion of anyone else.

    Are you familiar with the school of thought regarding the Constitution known as Originalism or the people called Originalists?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalists

    Some of the names of the judicial experts contained there should be known to you.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can snort all you want. It is part of my job to play in role in the making of public policy. That is what I do for a living.
    Bwaahaahaa!

    And I am a rocket scientist with numerous international commendations.


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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Bwaahaahaa!

    And I am a rocket scientist with numerous international commendations.


    God, but I just LOVE the Internet!!!!!
    Why does simple reality and truth seem to cause such a disagreeable reaction from you?

    This is what you said to me earlier

    Snort. You do not make public policy for anything.
    I then corrected your falsehood by pointing out that public policy is what I do for a living. If you doubt that I would be willing to put up a very large sum of money against yours to determine who is telling the truth on this point. Any significant sum at all is fine with me.

    I have no idea why you continually seek to make personal attacks on me rather than speak to the issue being discussed.
    Last edited by haymarket; 01-17-13 at 09:04 AM.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have done better. I have produced the original meaning of the Founders. that trumps the opinion of anyone else.
    Thank you for conceding that no constitutional scholar agrees with your interpretation.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Thank you for conceding that no constitutional scholar agrees with your interpretation.
    I think he cannot get out of what he has said

    1) all firearms are "protected equally under the second amendment"

    2) we do not have a right under the second amendment to have the same civilian defensive weapons civilian police are issued for self defense

    3) therefore no firearms are protected for civilians who are not servants of the local state or federal governments

    there is no other possible explanation

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have been through this many times in many threads. I have repeatedly stated that the militia is a fiction which exists only on paper. And what do you provide as your 'evidence? The same piece of paper. All you have done is proved my very point. Thank you.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why does simple reality and truth seem to cause such a disagreeable reaction from you?
    If this is true, I find it quite sad, as your lack of honesty mirrors what I see from all politicians.

    I have no tolerance for people who will not give an honest yes or no when asked, but twist mysteriously in the political wind.....
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is your opinion - it is not my opinion.

    Were the government to ban any and all weapons, then the Second Amendment right would certainly be INFRINGED and that would be unconstitutional.
    You stated that no class of weapons is more or less protected than any other, and that the government has the right to ban particular classes of weapons.

    If the remaining classes of weapons are not protected more than those that were banned, what about the state move against the remaining classes causes it to suddenly become an infringement?

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Thank you for conceding that no constitutional scholar agrees with your interpretation.
    I have no idea what you are talking about and apparently neither do you since you quoted no such thing from me. I provided you with the names of many judicial experts who also subscribe to the same methodology of ORIGINALISM that I am employing in correctly describing the original meaning of the word INFRINGED.

    Why are you attempting to employ the fallacy of ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM in a discussion about ideas?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have done better. I have produced the original meaning of the Founders. that trumps the opinion of anyone else.
    Really? Because as I recall when I quoted you the original meaning of the Founders you complained that you preferred Abraham Lincoln. Then I tried pointing out to you several points where the Founders had even written their meaning into law, and you claimed it was "just a piece of paper".


    The Founders, it is worth noting, believed in the private ownership of artillery, and when the government tried to take theirs, they used it on them.

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