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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In you own mind, perhaps. And now, I predict, you will evade.
    Okay, you know that making predictions that are garaunteed is a cheap way to boost your average, right?

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, you have explained your "unique" understanding of what the founders meant when they used the word infringed.

    Now all you have to do is to produce a constitutional scholar who agrees with you, and maybe, just maybe, someone will begin to actually take you seriously.
    What frustrates me the most about this is that decades of kids were taught American history and government under this set of assumptions. We really need better standards.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Okay, you know that making predictions that are garaunteed is a cheap way to boost your average, right?
    Well, how else am I going to boost my average? The hard way? Sheesh!

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, how else am I going to boost my average? The hard way? Sheesh!
    Hm. How about an over/under on how long Haymarket will avoid gun threads, or this one in particular?

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What frustrates me the most about this is that decades of kids were taught American history and government under this set of assumptions. We really need better standards.
    A wall of separation between education and state would be a nice start.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah I had a gunny and a corporal that rolled with c-mags in Iraq (explanatory quote from the gunny: "Son, anyone worth shooting is worth shooting many times). They just didn't have C-clips.
    I like your gunny. He is a wise man. Make em dead and make sure they stay that way.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I did and you said that civilians do not have the right to possess the same weapons that police do. so you believe that the police can own some weapons we cannot but you said all firearms are equally protected

    ergo, if we don't have the right to own some firearms used by police we don't have the right to own any firearm under the second amendment
    That is your opinion - it is not my opinion.

    It is your interpretation - it is not my interpretation.

    Not having the right to any any weapons would constitute the Second Amendment right to be INFRINGED and thus be unconstitutional.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Now that's interesting. You realize that, added to your argument that the government has the right to ban "military style" weapons, this means that in your opinion the Second Amendment means that the government can ban any and all weapons?
    That is your opinion - it is not my opinion.

    Were the government to ban any and all weapons, then the Second Amendment right would certainly be INFRINGED and that would be unconstitutional.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually as members of the militia, they do.

    10 USC 311: The Militia consists of all able- bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 13 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States.

    However, as I recall, you were a public school teacher, and so as I don't think that Howard Zinn covered that part, you can be excused for not knowing it.



    We have been through this many times in many threads. I have repeatedly stated that the militia is a fiction which exists only on paper. And what do you provide as your 'evidence? The same piece of paper. All you have done is proved my very point. Thank you.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dammitboy! View Post
    Why does the police officer have those weapons, what would he use them for, what is their purpose? They would use them as any law abiding civilian would use them, in self-defense against armed criminals. I did not say the police have them "because of the 2nd amendment" I said they have them to be on an equal footing with criminals. Is there a reason you think criminals should have an advantage in firepower?
    Sadly for your position, the Second Amendment does not say this nor extend to you that right.
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