View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which I did not do, which is why it's a lie. At no point did I say the citizen had equal job to the police.
    Oh but you did engage in a false equivalency and that has been well established.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your rights under the Second Amendment cannot be INFRINGED. That is clear and I have made that crystal clear over and over and over again. If the government creates a nation where the citizenry cannot have arms to keep and bear, then they have been INFRINGED.

    I have explained this many many times.
    that makes no sense. My second amendment rights were infringed 25 years before I was born with the 1934 NFA. and then with the 1968 GCA and then the 1986 Hughes Amendment and then with the Clinton AWB

    and you have never told us what actions constitute an infringement

    you have stated that we civilians are not entitled to own the same guns the police officers (CIVILIANS) are issued. you also said that all firearms have the same second amendment protection

    the only way you can make both statements is to claim that the second amendment does not apply to most civilians or their rights

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    China has near 1/5 of the world's population. If they revolted, the government could not resist. If they had arms, they could easier defend their freedom.
    Not if their military didn't revolt. No.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh but you did engage in a false equivalency and that has been well established.
    Is this all you got? There was no false equivalency on my part, nor could you accurately quote it. If you care to engage the argument, let me know.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I think I just proved what he really believes. his two posts I have just immediately prior to this post quoted demonstrates that

    1) all firearms have the same level of 2nd Amendment protection
    2) that most civilians do NOT have the right to own the same weapons CIVILIAN police do

    3) Ergo-the second amendment does not protect individual civilians at all no matter what type of gun they want to own

    that is the only possible way to find consistency in his two posts combined with his many claims that he supports "the second amendment"

    However, his interpretation of the second amendment is contrary to what 70% of the Public believes and that of which almost every constitutional scholar and 5 of the current USSC justices believe
    NO. The only consistency is that you are completely misinterpreting what I said and then making assumptions from that false interpretation which are wrong.

    Again, here was my statement in answer to your question

    No class of arms is any more protected than any other. No specific model or usage of firearm is specially protected more than any other.
    You are making an erroneous interpretation of it and then making false assumptions based on your erroneous interpretation. Go back and read what I said please.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not if their military didn't revolt. No.
    Well the military would split, as would ours, but you can't do much against 1/5 of the world's population. Well I suppose if you had equal 1/5; but the government does not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is this all you got? There was no false equivalency on my part, nor could you accurately quote it. If you care to engage the argument, let me know.
    I already have done both.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    China has near 1/5 of the world's population. If they revolted, the government could not resist. If they had arms, they could easier defend their freedom.
    I highly doubt that Chinese citizens, if armed with your basic firearm, could restrain the Chinese military. The Chinese military would just completely overwhelm the citizenry.

    That's why I found this whole "guns need to stand up again the US government and the military" type of talk a little silly.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. The only consistency is that you are completely misinterpreting what I said and then making assumptions from that false interpretation which are wrong.

    Again, here was my statement in answer to your question



    You are making an erroneous interpretation of it and then making false assumptions based on your erroneous interpretation. Go back and read what I said please.
    I did and you said that civilians do not have the right to possess the same weapons that police do. so you believe that the police can own some weapons we cannot but you said all firearms are equally protected

    ergo, if we don't have the right to own some firearms used by police we don't have the right to own any firearm under the second amendment

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I highly doubt that Chinese citizens, if armed with your basic firearm, could restrain the Chinese military. The Chinese military would just completely overwhelm the citizenry.

    That's why I found this whole "guns need to stand up again the US government and the military" type of talk a little silly.
    surgical assassination and the imposition of terror against those who support the government is the proper resistance. Ever see "The Patriot". while its historically silly in some cases, there is some value in how to deal with a much bigger army on your own land

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