View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isnít perfect, but no compromise is.

    12 12.90%
  • No. I donít mind some compromise, but this still takes away too much.

    13 13.98%
  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

    61 65.59%
  • No. This still gives too many gun ownership privileges.

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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, does Washington's quote "Government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master" mean anything to you?
    Interesting to be sure. I prefer Honest Abe.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, you've stated your opinion on this many times. I can only assume you continue to so doggedly do so because you want the law to prevent them from doing so and are backing up your wish with what you believe to be a constitutional justification.
    I am simply attempting to do what I did for 33 years - teach about American government.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    maybe if you would finally tell us what arms are PROTECTED we pro rights advocates could have a more meaningful conversation with you
    No class of arms is any more protected than any other. No specific model or usage of firearm is specially protected more than any other.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How's that then? The BoR, including the 2nd amendment, are not limitations on THE PEOPLE, they are limitations upon the government. I have every expectation to the same level of weaponry as police or military as the government is not to infringe upon my right to keep and bear arms.
    What you want to do in the way of your own personal expectations is your business. You simply have no RIGHT to have that same level of weaponry however.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What you want to do in the way of your own personal expectations is your business. You simply have no RIGHT to have that same level of weaponry however.
    You have no argument by which that is true.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nope.


    We've compromised too much already.
    Just how have we compromised too much already? I thought we was happy with Heller?

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dammitboy! View Post
    I have to disagree. Why does a police officer carry a semi-auto pistol with two magazines holding 16 rounds each and have an AR-15 style carbine in the trunk of his patrol car? The answer is to be on an equal footing with the criminal element in this country, the same criminals any law abiding citizen is equally exposed to. We have an inherent right to self-defense and trying to limit us to weapons inferior to that of the criminal element is in fact, infringing on our right to self-defense.

    If I don't "Need" such firearms, there is no "Need" for the police force to have such firearms. If there is a need for the police to carry such arms the same holds true for any other civilian.
    A police officer has weapons because of the performance of his duties as a professional law enforcement officer in the employ of the peoples government. It has nothing at all to do with any right under the Second Amendment. As such, your rights under the Second Amendment have not a darn thing to do with that reality of being a police officer.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You have no argument by which that is true.
    A police officer does NOT have the weapons they due because of the Second Amendment. As such, to claim that the Second Amendment affords you to you the same level of weaponry is ridiculous and without foundation. It is simply NOT a Second Amendment issue in any way shape or form.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A police officer does NOT have the weapons they due because of the Second Amendment. As such, to claim that the Second Amendment affords you to you the same level of weaponry is ridiculous and without foundation. It is simply NOT a Second Amendment issue in any way shape or form.
    Certainly not, but one has nothing to do with the other. Police officers have the weapons they have because the government says they should have them; but that has nothing to do with the second amendment which clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

    As I said, you have no real argument, not one that stands to reason and logic anyway.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly not, but one has nothing to do with the other. Police officers have the weapons they have because the government says they should have them; but that has nothing to do with the second amendment which clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

    As I said, you have no real argument, not one that stands to reason and logic anyway.
    You agree with me. Great.

    My position is based on the actual wording of the SECOND AMENDMENT and what the word INFRINGED meant at the time of its writing. For your right to be infringed the government would have to create a situation where you are denied the right to keep and bear arms. It would have to be denied so as to be destroyed or negated. And telling you that you cannot have one item on a menu when the menu carries much else that you can have is not starving you.
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