View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isnít perfect, but no compromise is.

    12 12.90%
  • No. I donít mind some compromise, but this still takes away too much.

    13 13.98%
  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

    61 65.59%
  • No. This still gives too many gun ownership privileges.

    4 4.30%
  • I can hit a target 400 yards away with my eyes closed.

    3 3.23%
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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Why do you quote my question and then make a statement that has nothing to do with it?

    Do YOU believe that the law should deny the people the possession of militarily effective firearms, such as are carried by the police and standing army?
    I answered your question. You did not like the answer. But it was answered.

    I would be glad to give you my opinion of any prospective law if you would be good enough to provide me with the proposed bill.

    I informed you long ago when you asked similar questions that my position was then and always has been that the devil is in the details and I insist upon reading those details before pontificating about if I support or do not support a particilar piece of legislation.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is outlined in the Preamble of our Constitution.
    No, the preamble lists the reasons why We the People created this specific Republic. I'm talking of the historical evolution of governments and how when left unchecked the tend towards tyranny. Government desires power and control, always has. Which is why you must be careful with them and also why revolution is a reserved right and duty of the People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the preamble lists the reasons why We the People created this specific Republic. I'm talking of the historical evolution of governments and how when left unchecked the tend towards tyranny. Government desires power and control, always has. Which is why you must be careful with them and also why revolution is a reserved right and duty of the People.

    Here is your post

    Because the desires and motivations of government have changed very little over the centuries.
    Those desires and motivations are found in the Preamble of the US Constitution. That is exactly what it tells us - the motivation for writing the Constitution and the desires the Founders had for the nation in writing it.


    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here is your post



    Those desires and motivations are found in the Preamble of the US Constitution. That is exactly what it tells us - the motivation for writing the Constitution and the desires the Founders had for the nation in writing it.


    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    Those are the desires of We the People who created the Republic, not the desires of government. Clearly.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are the desires of We the People who created the Republic, not the desires of government. Clearly.
    Does the phrase from Lincoln "a government of the people, by the people and for the people" mean anything to you?
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Does the phrase from Lincoln "a government of the people, by the people and for the people" mean anything to you?
    That's the ideal on how government performs and if you control it well enough you can force it into that operational mode. But as we have seen throughout history, governments have not necessarily acted for their people. Indeed, left to its own devices all government trends towards tyranny.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's the ideal on how government performs and if you control it well enough you can force it into that operational mode. But as we have seen throughout history, governments have not necessarily acted for their people. Indeed, left to its own devices all government trends towards tyranny.
    You are correct that there certainly are governemnts that have acted as you described.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's the ideal on how government performs and if you control it well enough you can force it into that operational mode. But as we have seen throughout history, governments have not necessarily acted for their people. Indeed, left to its own devices all government trends towards tyranny.
    I voted "yes" in the poll. I think the Citizens owning lots of guns reminds the gov't that the people are armed. I think everyone should have a gun or two or three, but I really can't justify the 100 round clips. There is always the possibility that as Marijuana gets more legal that we will have to find another way to fill those Corporate owned and operated jails. Lots of guns leaves lots of room for prosecutions and a steady flow of inmates. Never ignore the possibility of another agenda as the driving force behind gov't. I'm not discussing conspiracy here but good business for profit practices that are the foundations of our current "Corporatism," and if I meant Capitalism I would have used that word.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I voted "yes" in the poll. I think the Citizens owning lots of guns reminds the gov't that the people are armed. I think everyone should have a gun or two or three, but I really can't justify the 100 round clips. There is always the possibility that as Marijuana gets more legal that we will have to find another way to fill those Corporate owned and operated jails. Lots of guns leaves lots of room for prosecutions and a steady flow of inmates. Never ignore the possibility of another agenda as the driving force behind gov't. I'm not discussing conspiracy here but good business for profit practices that are the foundations of our current "Corporatism," and if I meant Capitalism I would have used that word.
    As the militia is a necessity to a free state, I feel the People should have access to much of Tue standard military hardware. Not only that but it is our duty to purchase, train with and maintain these weapons. Militia activity should be standard for all citizens. Above all else that would let government know that not only are we armed, we're prepared.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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