View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isn’t perfect, but no compromise is.

    12 12.90%
  • No. I don’t mind some compromise, but this still takes away too much.

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  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

    61 65.59%
  • No. This still gives too many gun ownership privileges.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The tool is irrelevant because dead kids are still dead kids.And if it was about saving lives you would want restrictions on those things responsible for deaths just as you would guns.Its been pointed out more than once that guns have more than one function.
    So, you can't take a step towards something positive without taking it to extremes? Or are you just into logical fallacies? "Proponents of gun control can't want to save lives because they won't completely upend every part of life to pursue that goal. Unless you're willing to destroy every single car on the road, you can't actually care about preventing people from shooting each other." Sounds pretty stupid when it's spelled out, doesn't it?

    Different things are treated differently under the law. Duh. Guns are not knives are not cars are not airplanes are not tigers are not fried food. They are all different.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, you can't take a step towards something positive without taking it to extremes? Or are you just into logical fallacies? "Proponents of gun control can't want to save lives because they won't completely upend every part of life to pursue that goal. Unless you're willing to destroy every single car on the road, you can't actually care about preventing people from shooting each other." Sounds pretty stupid when it's spelled out, doesn't it?

    Different things are treated differently under the law. Duh. Guns are not knives are not cars are not airplanes are not tigers are not fried food. They are all different.
    there is nothing positive about punishing honest people because someone violated capital murder laws

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, you can't take a step towards something positive without taking it to extremes? Or are you just into logical fallacies? "Proponents of gun control can't want to save lives because they won't completely upend every part of life to pursue that goal. Unless you're willing to destroy every single car on the road, you can't actually care about preventing people from shooting each other." Sounds pretty stupid when it's spelled out, doesn't it?
    The anti-2nd amendment side is making this about protecting and saving kids' lives. Not whether or not kids are shot.So when you people use that justification its about saving kids lives to **** on the 2nd amendment it only makes you people look like hypocrites when you ignore things that kill way more kids than any so called assault weapon has.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The anti-2nd amendment side is making this about protecting and saving kids' lives. Not whether or not kids are shot.So when you people use that justification its about saving kids lives to **** on the 2nd amendment it only makes you people look like hypocrites when you ignore things that kill way more kids than any so called assault weapon has.
    No one Ingres anything. There's just not a lot of people so silly as to overreact as gun folks are.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one Ingres anything. There's just not a lot of people so silly as to overreact as gun folks are.
    Just be happy that there are people who are willing to fight for what is yours by right, regardless of how much you value it.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one Ingres anything. There's just not a lot of people so silly as to overreact as gun folks are.
    Wait, silly as the gun folks are? Silly as the anti gun folks are. No one goes into a screaming hissy fit about Americans And Their Evil Car Culture every time a bus turns over or there is a 40 car pileup. Hit a car full of high school kids and no one blames the SUV - they blame the drunk driving it.

    For every other way in which we kill each other, we blame the person and not the tool... until it becomes the one tool that we have to ensure that we the people remain citizens instead of subjects. THATs silly overreaction. What we are seeing now after Newtown? THAT's overreaction, in the drama and emotion of the moment. Waving around dead children in order to pass long-desired limitation of individual citizens' ability to defend themselves? That's silly at best.

    There are some on the gun side overreacting - the idea that this is going to kickstart a "resistance" or an impeachment isn't really tenable. But the side overreacting in unison are the Takers.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, the intent was that we have the same weapons individual infantry soldiers have. That is why having the same stuff cops have is a no brainer. we should have M16 and M4 rifles.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Second Amendment says no such thing.
    That's where the mention of a “well regulated militia” comes in. Common civilian men, able to function as soldiers, when so needed. To do this, they need to be able to possess and bear weapons suitable for use by a soldier. In modern times, this would be a full-automatic assault rifle, such as an M-16—just like we issue to our regular soldiers.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    From my understanding an "assault weapon" are stronger weapons and have more power than a standard rifle or battle rifle, have selective fire, and a discharge magazine.
    Your understanding is incorrect on nearly every point.

    You're confusing the fraudulent term “assault weapon” with the term “assault rifle” which does, in fact, have a fairly meaningful definition.

    By definition, an assault rifle is a medium-powered rifle, while a battle rifle is a high-powered rifle. The 30-06 round, by by the M1 Garand battle rifle, for example, has almost twice the kinetic energy as the 5.56mm NATO round used in the M-16 assault rifle. Most of the weapons being fraudulently labeled as “assault weapons” use a medium-power round similar to what a true assault rifle would take, though the term is often broadly defined to cover weapons taking a wide range of rounds.

    Select-fire is a feature of genuine assault rifles. It means that the rifle has both a semi-automatic mode, and either a fully-automatic mode or a burst fire mode. It is nearly impossible in America for a common citizen to “legally”* obtain or possess a firearm that is capable of fully-automatic or burst-fire operation. None of the weapons that have ever been targeted for banning or restriction under the fraudulent label of “assault weapons” have this feature.

    And I have no idea what you mean by a “discharge magazine”. There is no such term that I have ever heard anywhere else.



    * That is, unless you correctly recognize the laws which restrict the transfer and possession of such weapons as blatantly unconstitutional, in violation of the Second Amendment.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Agreed. The people have not had to form themselves into a militia in quite some time, which is fortunate.

    But as they say, past performance is no guarantee of future results. The American people must always be armed with militarily effective firearms so that, if the need ever arises, they can organize themselves into an active militia.

    Of course, we hope that day never comes, just as a homeowner who has lived safely in his home for twenty-five years hopes he will never need his fire extinguishers. But it would be imprudent of him throw away his fire extinguishers, saying, "Well I haven't had a fire in 25 years, so obviously I'll never have a fire..."
    Again, you dwell in the past of pre Constitution America or want us to engage in wild speculation about some future scenario where our armies and police are rendered impotent and its up to us to put down the remote control and fight the invading hordes from Uranus.

    Sorry. I do not make public policy based on realites from two and a quarter centuries ago or from George Lucas type imaginings. Lets concentrate on the reality before the USA in 2013 for once.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That's where the mention of a “well regulated militia” comes in. Common civilian men, able to function as soldiers, when so needed. To do this, they need to be able to possess and bear weapons suitable for use by a soldier. In modern times, this would be a full-automatic assault rifle, such as an M-16—just like we issue to our regular soldiers.
    And that convenient fiction exists only on paper and not in reality.
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