View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1 - I thought it was the contention of the right that the entire militia thing no longer had anything to do with the right to bear arms?
    Did you? That seems strange. Since a militia is necessary to the security of a free state, it would stand to reason that, at the very least, the people must be adequately armed with militarily effective weapons so that they may form a militia if the American people feel the need.

    2- Despite given ample opportunity, neither you nor anyone else has offered any evidence that the militia in the 21st century is anything other than a fiction on paper that does not exist in real life.
    It doesn't exist as of now because the American people have not seen fit to organize themselves into one. This probably indicates that the need has not yet arisen. It also doesn't mean that the need will never arise.

    3- Despite being asked several times, neither you nor anyone else can produce a list of what weapons any such militia would be required to bring with them - if any - let alone that the items you are advocating for are or would be on such a list.
    I don't understand what you mean by "be required." Required by whom exactly? If the people decide to form an active militia, they will decide what weapons they need. Who am I to decide this?

    4- Our nation is not kept a free state by any fictional militia but rather by a professional armed forces for well over the past two centuries.
    If you think that a militia is not necessary to the security of a free state that's your choice. Apparently the founders felt differently, which is why they took steps to ensure that the people would always be adequately armed with militarily effective weapons.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I have no idea if you shoot or not, but I highly recommend it. It's good for your outlook, your focus, and your mind. It's not the boogeyman that some will make it out to be. It's sort of like scuba diving in that it helps you overcome your fears, and make you more cognizant and mindful of both yourself, and your surroundings. If I were queen, everyone would own a gun, learn how to shoot it like an expert marksman, and learn how to take care of it like a prized possession.
    I wouldn't mind owning a gun, if the other half would let me

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Federalist............. With all due respect, why is it that all your arguments on this issue are based either in the very distant past of well over two centuries ago or in a future which is speculative at best and absurd at worst? The real world we live in today and have lived in for the last two centuries never enters into your reasoning, your examples or your motivations.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I wouldn't mind owning a gun, if the other half would let me
    If you are both an equal half, then why does one half have higher weight ? You might even be able to convince the other half to learn along with you.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Collecting and killing (in some form or another). Those are really the only two functions that guns have.
    How short sited and dishonest. Have you ever heard of targets? USA Shooting Team | USA Shooting USA Shooting, a 501c3 non-profit corporation, was chartered by the United States Olympic Committee as the National Governing Body for the sport of shooting in April 1995. The organization implements and manages development programs and sanctions events at the local, state, regional, and national levels; developing shooting athletes from grassroots to Olympic medals.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Federalist............. With all due respect, why is it that all your arguments on this issue are based either in the very distant past of well over two centuries ago or in a future which is speculative at best and absurd at worst? The real world we live in today and have lived in for the last two centuries never enters into your reasoning, your examples or your motivations.
    Of course the real world of today enters into my reasoning. A well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. That was true at the founding, it is true today, and it will be true in the future.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    How short sited and dishonest. Have you ever heard of targets? USA Shooting Team | USA Shooting USA Shooting, a 501c3 non-profit corporation, was chartered by the United States Olympic Committee as the National Governing Body for the sport of shooting in April 1995. The organization implements and manages development programs and sanctions events at the local, state, regional, and national levels; developing shooting athletes from grassroots to Olympic medals.
    Someone else already called me out on this and I said I felt silly forgetting about sport.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Someone else already called me out on this and I said I felt silly forgetting about sport.
    lol ok sorry.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Of course the real world of today enters into my reasoning. A well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. That was true at the founding, it is true today, and it will be true in the future.
    And it has not played a role in two and a quarter centuries.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And it has not played a role in two and a quarter centuries.
    Agreed. The people have not had to form themselves into a militia in quite some time, which is fortunate.

    But as they say, past performance is no guarantee of future results. The American people must always be armed with militarily effective firearms so that, if the need ever arises, they can organize themselves into an active militia.

    Of course, we hope that day never comes, just as a homeowner who has lived safely in his home for twenty-five years hopes he will never need his fire extinguishers. But it would be imprudent of him throw away his fire extinguishers, saying, "Well I haven't had a fire in 25 years, so obviously I'll never have a fire..."

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