View Poll Results: Would this compromise be acceptable?

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  • Yes. This isnít perfect, but no compromise is.

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  • No. We should never compromise our gun rights.

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Thread: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    thank you for making it clear that you cannot cite anything in the actual Second Amendment which supports your view about any supposed right of citizens to have comparable firearms as police officers.
    Hate to point this out, but there's nothing there saying they can't, either.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we do-to carry them on the streets of our cities like police officers do. as to stuff you keep in your home-no. Most CCW permit holders are safer and better shots than most cops.
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    Anyone who trains both cops and non LEO civilians as I do will tell you that. and when you have people like me who are former olympic level shooters who have law degrees and years of experience in this area of the law-I am way way better trained than cops. I shoot every week. I have cleaned every police or LEO qualification test in my area including the County Sheriff's course and the Federal US Marshalls' Service (where I posted a "distinguished expert" rating-the highest available)
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Then why are you arguing with Turtledude, telling him that he shouldn't have the same weapons as a police officer? You certainly seem to be making a judgement.
    I simply stated that there is nothing in the Second Amendment which states that a citizen can have the same weapons as a police officer. I further stated that the weapons carried by a police officer have nothing at all to do with the Second Amendment. Police officers do NOT carry the firearms they do because they have a Second Amendment right as a citizen to do so. They carry firearms because that is a necessary piece of equipment to performa and carry out their job. That is pretty much the rule the world over regardless of what rights a citizen may or may not have regarding firearms in a nation.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Hate to point this out, but there's nothing there saying they can't, either.
    Which is irrelevant because what it is NOT there does NOT give you anything.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the incrementalist attack on the second amendment requires its adherents never to say where the line is crossed because the line changes every time they achieve another infringement of our rights

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The events you mention predate the US Constitution and the Second Amendment. As a history teacher, I knew that. And now you do also.
    So what? That doesn't mean a militia will never be necessary in the future. And if people don't have militarily effective firearms, the call-up of such a militia would be impossible.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I simply stated that there is nothing in the Second Amendment which states that a citizen can have the same weapons as a police officer. I further stated that the weapons carried by a police officer have nothing at all to do with the Second Amendment. Police officers do NOT carry the firearms they do because they have a Second Amendment right as a citizen to do so. They carry firearms because that is a necessary piece of equipment to performa and carry out their job. That is pretty much the rule the world over regardless of what rights a citizen may or may not have regarding firearms in a nation.
    I know what you stated. I'm asking you WHY you stated it.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and you won't even tell us what weapons are protected.

    do you think the weapons civilian police officers are issued are of a lower level of offensive capability than what say my nephew-a captain in the Green Beret used in his patrols in Afghanistan and Iraq?

    what is the purpose of a police issued weapon

    what is the purpose of the second amendment

    its really not so tough a question
    I do not have the power nor authority to make a determination as to what firearms are protected by law. Nor do you. Only the duly elected representatives of the American people and the courts can do that.

    NIKE had a good slogan some years back that applies here "why ask why?" It saves lots of brain cells from idle and pointless speculation that does not alter nor change reality.
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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Soap box--------> ballot box-------->cartridge box.
    More an idiot saying. In today's world, a useless thought and not something rational people consider viable.

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    Re: A proposed compromise on "assault weapons"

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So what? That doesn't mean a militia will never be necessary in the future. And if people don't have militarily effective firearms, the call-up of such a militia would be impossible.
    Again, I know nothing of this militia call up nor the rules that apply to such that you refer to under the era of the US Constitution. And you seem unable to point it out.
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