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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm pretty sure plenty of people would shot cops if they came for their guns.
    Look to NY, they just banned a whole ****load of guns, and no cops are being shot over it. There's no civil war in NY today. Cops came for guns in 1987. Cops weren't shot. The people complied.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He's Madame Cleo, didn't you know? Clairvoyant, he sees the past and the future. If only I were so lucky, then I would have known to buy fully automatic weapons and resist confiscation at the age of 10.
    Chicago is banning more guns, no cops are being shot over it. Law-abiding citizens don't shoot cops over a gun grab.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I needed mine just last month, so I have to disagree.
    Why, did someone come at you with a gun?

    It's all part of growing up, Jerreh lad. You may have to learn to handle dangerous situations in other ways. You know, ways where you consider other options like avoid dangerous situations. Think before you get yourself into them. Immediate and frequent first reaction is not to just be pulling a gun on people.

    I know it's frightening. It involves using your brain to think instead of just taking the easy road. It might even make you more resourceful in the long run...

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So how do you get your independence? Do you wait until other people come and help you?
    Watch. It's happening now, if we want it. And not a shot fired.

    Or are you talking about leaving home (it seems a bit harsh to shoot the old folks just to strike out on your own, but who knows with US gun folks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm pretty sure plenty of people would shot cops if they came for their guns.
    That would be a mistake.

    I think it depends how it's managed. I would love to see a certain section of US people deprived of the guns which infect them that overbearing and brainless attitude (no offence to those of you who have a brain, plenty of you out there). It will be difficult, as with all other big projects there will be those who just can't envisage what it's going to be like and how it will improve things, no matter how many pictures are drawn for them.

    But loads of other countries do it. US won't fall down if it happens.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Chicago is banning more guns, no cops are being shot over it. Law-abiding citizens don't shoot cops over a gun grab.
    Yeah it's hard to met out those stats given the generalized level of violence. Plus they're not really going door to door collecting. We may see some dead cops if so, particularly on the south side. Though it may not be attributable to gun confiscation as much as it the South side is already rather violent and there are areas cops don't go to as is.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's exactly my point. When comes down to it, people will play by the rules even when they hate the rules.

    No one is going to shoot a cop, and so when the government decides to revoke your registration and order you to turn in your items, you will.

    There would be lots of people who would hide away their 30rd magazines and, if they had to, claim their prohibited firearms were lost or stolen. Others would have them converted if they could to make them legal - such as what people did way back with Tommy guns. Others would turn them in.

    But going to live in the woods in tents ready to shoot it out with the police... or barracading inside their houses? Naw, didn't happen in the past, won't happen now.

    People talk about how they will go bury their firearms to hide them and I suppose they could. A buried firearm doesn't do a person much good, does it?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We saw what people will do in 1987. The public's response to compliance with the Hughes Amendment tells us exactly what the public will do should a gun-ban become law.
    It's a pretty ignorant stance to take, and repeat over and over. First, most 'gun' people realize the lack of utility of a 'machine gun', second, they know what the government did then and got away with...
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Why, did someone come at you with a gun?

    It's all part of growing up, Jerreh lad. You may have to learn to handle dangerous situations in other ways. You know, ways where you consider other options like avoid dangerous situations. Think before you get yourself into them. Immediate and frequent first reaction is not to just be pulling a gun on people.

    I know it's frightening. It involves using your brain to think instead of just taking the easy road. It might even make you more resourceful in the long run...
    Yeah, go ahead and feel good about your ability to handle a rapist without a firearm... The rest of us can live in the real world.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah it's hard to met out those stats given the generalized level of violence. Plus they're not really going door to door collecting. We may see some dead cops if so, particularly on the south side. Though it may not be attributable to gun confiscation as much as it the South side is already rather violent and there are areas cops don't go to as is.
    The kind of person who get's a CCW is the kind of person who is already in the demographic with the lowest rate of ever committing any kind of crime, because the kind of person who gets a CCW places the rule of law in the highest esteem.

    The rule of law is supreme, and so if the government tells you that you're going to pay a new tax for Obama'Care, you will pay it. If the government tells you that you're going to pay a new tax for a foreign war, you'll pay it. You aren't going to stand at your doorstep and refuse to pay the IRS. If the government tells you that as an employer or insurance provider you have to honor same-sex marriages, you will, regardless of any objection to SSM you have. You aren't going to keep operating your business after your license is revoked and shoot any official who comes to close your doors. If the government tells you not to block a woman from getting an abortion, you won't, regardless of how pro-life you may be. You aren't going to form an armed blockade, nor will you shoot an abortion doc or bomb a clinic.

    The "rule of law" comes first, and so if the law says you can't have a gun, you will bitch about it, but you will turn in your gun.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It's a pretty ignorant stance to take, and repeat over and over. First, most 'gun' people realize the lack of utility of a 'machine gun', second, they know what the government did then and got away with...
    The whole point of having one, is so that you never need it.

    The gun is civilization

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thatís it.


    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yeah, go ahead and feel good about your ability to handle a rapist without a firearm... The rest of us can live in the real world.
    In what world would you be carrying a firearm everywhere you go and in what world would you want to?

    The most effective way to avoid rape as with all potentially dangerous situations, is to avoid being in a situation where it can occur and if you suspect danger, remove yourself from the area.

    Awareness...better than assault weapons.

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