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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what do you think the purpose of the second amendment is when adopted?
    To help maintain a citizen militia to call on when needed, which if those times very well, as weapons were not as common then as some think.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ever heard of a puckle gun? believe me the concept of a machine gun or automatic weapon (a gatling gun is a machine gun but not an automatic) was far more able of comprehension in 1789 than satellite communications, telephones, televisions, computers, or xerox machines
    You need to add people who are unable to rely on themselves and must instead rely on government to "satellite communications, telephones, televisions, computers, or xerox machines". Also add hoplophobes.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To help maintain a citizen militia to call on when needed, which if those times very well, as weapons were not as common then as some think.
    Probably due to a typo, but I have no idea what you mean by the bolded part.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Probably due to a typo, but I have no idea what you mean by the bolded part.
    Fit those times well. Made sense.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To help maintain a citizen militia to call on when needed, which if those times very well, as weapons were not as common then as some think.
    so counterbalancing a tyrannical government had no part of that


    but if the amendment is not needed you all have to do two things

    1) repeal it

    2) and actually and honestly delegate the power to regulate small arms federally to congress rather than engage in the dishonesty FDR used

    and if the purpose was to create a militia then the militia should have weapons equal (at least) to whatever threat it might face and thus that means at least M16 rifles and normal capacity military issue pistols (15 shots being the US military standard in the form of the Beretta 92 (M9) and the Sig-Sauer P226

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To help maintain a citizen militia to call on when needed, which if those times very well, as weapons were not as common then as some think.
    And not as uncommon as some would like to hope..... The majority of men that formed the first militias came equipped with their own weapons. It was after a period of time that the government realized that having so many different weapons to support (projectiles, repair parts etc.) was a real logistical problem.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    the rapid fire puckle gun

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    63 shots in 7 minutes, which was three times faster than the very best soldier with a smooth bore (much faster than a rifle) musket

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so counterbalancing a tyrannical government had no part of that


    but if the amendment is not needed you all have to do two things

    1) repeal it

    2) and actually and honestly delegate the power to regulate small arms federally to congress rather than engage in the dishonesty FDR used

    and if the purpose was to create a militia then the militia should have weapons equal (at least) to whatever threat it might face and thus that means at least M16 rifles and normal capacity military issue pistols (15 shots being the US military standard in the form of the Beretta 92 (M9) and the Sig-Sauer P226
    Like I said, times change. We have to deal with a countries love affair weapons. No one wants to really hinder hunting and legitimate self defense. So, politicians and courts have spent a long time dancing around the poorly written amendment. This is really something calm heads and reasonable people could easily address, but there are those who are so unreasonable that they want nearly all weapons available.

    However, the courts have repeatedly allowed for limitations, realizing we really didn't want military weapons common place.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    And not as uncommon as some would like to hope..... The majority of men that formed the first militias came equipped with their own weapons. It was after a period of time that the government realized that having so many different weapons to support (projectiles, repair parts etc.) was a real logistical problem.
    The point being, it was the militia they wanted to make sure was viable.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like I said, times change. We have to deal with a countries love affair weapons. No one wants to really hinder hunting and legitimate self defense. So, politicians and courts have spent a long time dancing around the poorly written amendment. This is really something calm heads and reasonable people could easily address, but there are those who are so unreasonable that they want nearly all weapons available.

    However, the courts have repeatedly allowed for limitations, realizing we really didn't want military weapons common place.
    I call BS on that-lots of gun haters want to ban hunting how can you support "legitimate self defense" if you think honest people can be limited to 7 rounds 5 rounds, 3 rounds (Bloomturd's proposal one night on Night Line) etc

    tell me why my argument that we should clearly allow all honest citizens of age and clean backgrounds to own the same defensive weapons cops have is improper

    and how can a governmental entity honestly say that the stuff our tax dollars arms our civilian LEOs with "has not legitimate use" in the same society when owned by other civilians-many of whom are far better trained than cops (many of whom are not exactly in the front lines of crime fighting)

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