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Thread: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Revolution would be the event where armed militia really mattered.

    You may disagree all you want. Truth is that revolution is not a dynamic you engage in willy nilly, it's a serious effort to free yourself from an oppressive government. And you're never 100% sure what you're going to get on the other side, revolt is rather chaotic. All government is prone to corruption, and all men have right to defend their life, liberty, and property. The militia plays an important role in the servo of government. It's the trump card, the ace in the hole, it remains proper tool and duty of the People should the government err too long against our liberty and rights. It's necessary, else government has nothing to keep it in check and will grow and balloon and steal everything we had fought for.

    The State overwhelmingly out arms the citizenry because they have long engaged in tactic to destroy the militia. Once that's gone, nothing stops them. Even in the old aristocracies of Europe, the peasants got to lop the heads off Lords and Kings should they oppress the people too gravely for too long. Government's desires have not changed so much since then.

    This is something we all need to acknowledge and accept and perform. A well regulated militia is a necessity to a free state. It is our right, it is our duty.
    The price has to be worth it, the cost would be devastating, and likely a huge loss. There is nothing here or in any foreseeable future that would justify such an act. Much of the talk today is hyperbolic. We're not China. And we don't want to be Israel. So, no, today, you better have another plan. You're holding on to something not particularly viable today.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are not enough guns to confront the US military, nor is there the outrage to even suggest it would happen.
    There doesn't NEED to be a confrontation. The mere fact that the citizens are armed, and could possibly fight back, keeps the government in check. They don't generally want the bloodshed that might come from trampling over the nations people.

    And at that, take a look at history, insurgencies generally 'win'. No matter how big and strong the force they are fighting.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    There doesn't NEED to be a confrontation. The mere fact that the citizens are armed, and could possibly fight back, keeps the government in check. They don't generally want the bloodshed that might come from trampling over the nations people.

    And at that, take a look at history, insurgencies generally 'win'. No matter how big and strong the force they are fighting.
    You mean like at WACO or Ruby Ridge?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Responsible owners shouldn't have guns taken away, I would agree with tighter gun restrictions if criminals wouldn't get their guns through black markets. I'm sure they'll try.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean like at WACO or Ruby Ridge?
    Ah, a piss poor attempt to deflect. Go figure.
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    They got to find my *alleged* gun first.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Ah, a piss poor attempt to deflect. Go figure.
    Deflect, no. Examples where armed folks did not discourage. Go figure that you didn't rebut that in anyway.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Deflect, no. Examples where armed folks did not discourage. Go figure that you didn't rebut that in anyway.
    Yes deflection. I mentioned insurgencies, not single instances of government overreaction. But you left insurgencies and the rest of that response behind to bring up something not in any way related. That's deflection.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes deflection. I mentioned insurgencies, not single instances of government overreaction. But you left insurgencies and the rest of that response behind to bring up something not in any way related. That's deflection.
    No. An insurgency has to have a starting place. In many ways, those at WACO and Ruby Ridge were planning some type of removal from this government. Ended quickly. You speak of something that is not really viable in the country we live in today.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. An insurgency has to have a starting place. In many ways, those at WACO and Ruby Ridge were planning some type of removal from this government. Ended quickly. You speak of something that is not really viable in the country we live in today.
    Yes, many people like to keep with the 'it can never happen here' mentality. They are deluding themselves because they refuse to learn from history.
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