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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Where is ANYONE asking you to turn in your handguns, rifles, pistols?

    Why is it so unreasonable to require EVERY sale of a gun, etc to be registered?
    There are mass graves all over the world that filled with the bodies of people who became all too familiar with the government three-step:

    1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination.

    Step 3 cannot be accomplished without step 2. And step 2 cannot be completed without step 1.

    Where outside of Iraq and Afghanistan do semi-automatic, automatic and repeating rifles belong?
    In the hands of the American people, so that if necessary they can organized into a well-regulated militia, which is necessary to the security of a free state.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's rather obvious, is it not? The militia is a necessity to keep a free state. It may be that in our current age the necessity of the militia to fight foreign invaders has waned quite a bit; but that doesn't mean that it is absolved of all duty. The militia represents the ultimate check on the Government by the People and it's health and continuation is an important aspect in keeping a Free State.
    I quite disagree. The problems of the modern state are not effectively dealt with by use of arms. The state overwhelmingly out arms the citizentery. I can't think of a single possible event where an armed militia would really matter or take the place of the National Guard or police.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Your right about that in regards to support. To be honest though, I dont really need it.
    You may not, but stopping passage of a law you don't like largely depends on it. The courts have supported many restrictions in the past.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    There are mass graves all over the world that filled with the bodies of people who became all too familiar with the government three-step:

    1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination.

    Step 3 cannot be accomplished without step 2. And step 2 cannot be completed without step 1.



    In the hands of the American people, so that if necessary they can organized into a well-regulated militia, which is necessary to the security of a free state.
    I'd like proof of that. how about a link of information on this?

    And I bet there are more dead children from the US due to guns than ALL those others you allege.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'd like proof of that. how about a link of information on this?

    And I bet there are more dead children from the US due to guns than ALL those others you allege.
    that's just plain moronic. and many of those Children killed in gun violence are gang bangers killed by other gang bangers-the brady turds count people up to age 25 as "children" in their statistics. You might as well count all the 18-22 year old infantrymen killed in vietnam as "victims of gun violence" too

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. The problems of the modern state are not effectively dealt with by use of arms. The state overwhelmingly out arms the citizentery. I can't think of a single possible event where an armed militia would really matter or take the place of the National Guard or police.
    Revolution would be the event where armed militia really mattered.

    You may disagree all you want. Truth is that revolution is not a dynamic you engage in willy nilly, it's a serious effort to free yourself from an oppressive government. And you're never 100% sure what you're going to get on the other side, revolt is rather chaotic. All government is prone to corruption, and all men have right to defend their life, liberty, and property. The militia plays an important role in the servo of government. It's the trump card, the ace in the hole, it remains proper tool and duty of the People should the government err too long against our liberty and rights. It's necessary, else government has nothing to keep it in check and will grow and balloon and steal everything we had fought for.

    The State overwhelmingly out arms the citizenry because they have long engaged in tactic to destroy the militia. Once that's gone, nothing stops them. Even in the old aristocracies of Europe, the peasants got to lop the heads off Lords and Kings should they oppress the people too gravely for too long. Government's desires have not changed so much since then.

    This is something we all need to acknowledge and accept and perform. A well regulated militia is a necessity to a free state. It is our right, it is our duty.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Where is ANYONE asking you to turn in your handguns, rifles, pistols?

    Why is it so unreasonable to require EVERY sale of a gun, etc to be registered?

    Where outside of Iraq and Afghanistan do semi-automatic, automatic and repeating rifles belong?
    I never said anyone was trying to, and I made it clear that I don't think this will happen in the near future. This is just a hypothetical based on claims made in various gun control threads. Do you understand the term semi automatic? Nearly all rifles are semi automatic, you seems to have it confused with the scary black assault weapons.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'd like proof of that. how about a link of information on this?

    And I bet there are more dead children from the US due to guns than ALL those others you allege.
    Google is your friend: Gun Control and Genocide

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'd like proof of that. how about a link of information on this?

    And I bet there are more dead children from the US due to guns than ALL those others you allege.
    "I bet" implies that you have done no research on the matter and are just guessing. Why should anyone take your opinion on this matter seriously if you haven't bothered to look into it yourself?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    I agree with Jerry. Most people are pushovers because they were not raised with the militia traditon that Ikari described. Children are not even taught in schools from an early age what is necessary to protect a free State, it's up to the parents and local communities to do that.

    The public does not have military grade weapons anymore. Even if only 30% of the military stays loyal to the government, that still poses a huge problem.

    If gun controls are put into place, there might be some initial resistance but most people will roll over, especially if guns are aimed at their families. The government has been eroding militas for years now, so unless they have some super secret cache of pre-1987 military weapons in their arsenal, it's going to be mostly individuals challenging gun laws and individuals don't stand a chance.

    If this economic system lasts, then the 21st century is going to see slavery of the likes this world has never known. The first step will be removing guns from the only modern Democratic Republic who has fairly free access to them. The U.S. is already teetering on fascism but once the process is complete then the rest of the democratic world will follow. EVERYONE is watching what we do right now. The coming years are going to matter on a global scale.

    Follow the money and you will know the real reasons why this is all happening.

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