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Thread: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I'm also confused about what 'internet tough guys' is supposed to mean, since it seems you are playing that card yourself... since you're pretty certain people will roll over and give what is rightfully theirs to the big daddy government.

    You underestimate people - and that is dangerous.
    I don't believe it's much of an underestimation. Many people willingly cede their personal power to the government, in exchange for monetary security. It's the same premise I see people use regularly, to justify pouring billions of dollars into welfare programs. When someone proposes cutting off the money flow, what is a typical response?- expectations that if we did so, people would become essentially marauding thieves, creating mayhem in the streets.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe not, but we still need a citizen militia in general.
    I'm not convinced. In what circumstance?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Now you will assert that restricting the Constitutional rights of the entrie civilian popualtion is justified by perhaps making a few local gov't employees a little safer? That is clearly neither a federal responsibility nor a federal power granted by the Constitution. Making local LEOs "a little safer" is a local or, at best, a state issue; even so, local and state laws cannot "bend" the Constitutional protections afforded to all citizens in the bill of rights.
    I do not believe Constitutional rights are being infringed. That's the first thing. Secondly, such minor restrictions for a relatively small effect is reasonable. Again, being as there is no pressing need, nor even a huge desire, such a minor restriction is hardly troublesome. It effects a small number, and has a small effect. Again, reasonable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do not believe Constitutional rights are being infringed. That's the first thing. Secondly, such minor restrictions for a relatively small effect is reasonable. Again, being as there is no pressing need, nor even a huge desire, such a minor restriction is hardly troublesome. It effects a small number, and has a small effect. Again, reasonable.
    All of the above, is incorrect.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not convinced. In what circumstance?
    How about in circumstances like this one, where the Government is ussurping the Rights of The People.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do not believe Constitutional rights are being infringed. That's the first thing. Secondly, such minor restrictions for a relatively small effect is reasonable. Again, being as there is no pressing need, nor even a huge desire, such a minor restriction is hardly troublesome. It effects a small number, and has a small effect. Again, reasonable.
    Didn't Ben Franklin say something about Liberty and Safety? These "minor restrictions" (which I don't believe are minor at all) are the first steps down a road that it will be almost impossible to backtrack from. Once you allow this sort of thing to start with "reasonable" restrictions (as we did in 1934), it only gets worse. It never gets better.

    The "small" effect.... I know at least a half dozen individuals in the State of New York who are now actively seeking to move out of that State and into Pennsylvania as quickly as they possibly can. Including one who took today off from work as a nurse to begin moving her firearms out of the State before the new law takes effect.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    These "minor restrictions" (which I don't believe are minor at all) are the first steps down a road that it will be almost impossible to backtrack from. Once you allow this sort of thing to start with "reasonable" restrictions (as we did in 1934), it only gets worse. It never gets better.
    Exactly. Action to repeal a law, which is unconstitutional in nature, rarely gets done in Congress, and typically requires SCOTUS action. Power and authority are tightly gripped by those in possession of it, and the impulse to gain more power and authority always exists, as it's the very nature of government. To expect congress to retract a former legislative decision, is to expect them to admit they were wrong, and that isn't likely to happen.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do not believe Constitutional rights are being infringed. That's the first thing. Secondly, such minor restrictions for a relatively small effect is reasonable. Again, being as there is no pressing need, nor even a huge desire, such a minor restriction is hardly troublesome. It effects a small number, and has a small effect. Again, reasonable.
    How is banning the production and sale of a product, legal to be kept and born by some (that now own them, or work for the state), not infringement? Rights are not based on "need", or based on how many actually exercise them, that is some mighty twisted logic. You have no "need" to vote, you have no "need" to petition/protest the gov't yet you certainly retain the right to do so (whether you chose to do so in the past or not) in the future, just as all other citzens do. To say that all that now own a scary black rifle (SBR) are free to do so (forever), yet no citizen not so "blessed" will no longer have that right is hardly "equal protection under the law". If I now own a SBR how is it "fair" that I may freely keep or sell it, yet you may not buy a SBR that was not made before an arbitrary gov't defned date? Can you give me any example of another individual Constitutional right that was "phased" in or out for some, yet not applied equally to all?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. Action to repeal a law, which is unconstitutional in nature, rarely gets done in Congress, and typically requires SCOTUS action. Power and authority are tightly gripped by those in possession of it, and the impulse to gain more power and authority always exists, as it's the very nature of government. To expect congress to retract a former legislative decision, is to expect them to admit they were wrong, and that isn't likely to happen.
    True. The even more unfortunate problem is that the SCOTUS has only been right about half the time that they've ruled on Second Amendment issues, and in fact they are the ones who started us down this road back in 1934.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not convinced. In what circumstance?
    In order to maintain a Free State. A well organized militia is a necessity to keeping a Free State.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Where does it say that the bill of rights are unalienable?
    the DOI states:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...........((it also states)).."That to ---->secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

    saying government mission duty..... its primary function..----------->is to PROTECT rights.

    you are born with your rights, they come from our humanity, not from government, our natural rights exist before the u.s. government was ever created.

    what is natural?

    the right:

    to speech
    to pray
    to assemble
    defend yourself in the physical sense or against those who would accuse you.
    be secure in your person
    be secure in your property
    these are just a few of the things which you had before the u.s. government.

    the people came first, then the constitution, and last the federal government.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read the constitution can amend the constitution! Its in the freaking constitution in which the BOR is apart of, they didnt say "oh and you can amend everything here, oh except the BOR".
    since rights are unalienable, meaning they cant be taken from you, ...how can an amendments be used to take them away........since government does not grant rights............that is basics of understanding the constitution.

    if government was the granter of rights, then the people would be the servants, and the government the master..america would have been created as an Oligarchy ..........their would be no government of the people.

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