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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I'd say that there is a one in a hundred thousand chance that any sane man would "give up" his gun ownership.
    And this is the last thing that "non-gun lovers" want....
    All we want is decent control and no more assault weapons for the man on the street....period.....
    We, like the conservatives , do have our fringers, our extremists....they merit being ignored.
    And much more, on your side, you have flat-out ignorance and lies.

    Since you advocate “no more assault weapons for the man on the street”, can you tell us what an “assault weapon” is, and what make sit any more dangerous, any more suited to criminal use, and any less suited to legitimate use, than some comparable gun that is not an “assault weapon”?

    I didn't think so.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't own your home. That's something you'll find out when America defaults on it's debt and the government seizes personal assets to pay for it. You may have some pretty paper with your name on it, but you don't own a damn thing.
    That's how government primarily funds most of its activities now, and how it always has—by seizing people's assets. It's called “taxation”. And when it reaches the extreme that you've described, that what they will still call it.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah more tough-talk. You're full of it. You won't pull the trigger. You know it, I know it. You won't do it. When the cop is there in the flesh, you'll puss out. When the NG shows up, you won't pull the trigger because if you do your whole family will die by the .50cal parked in the street. You won't do it. You'll hand in your guns to save them.

    And no, it won't be me on the .50cal. I'll refuse the order and be in Fort Leavenworth with some buddies, but others will obey the order.

    You won't do it.
    At this point, you're describing a scenario in which the government is openly making war on its own citizens, and in which the citizens will be too cowardly to fight back. I hope you're not right about the general cowardice of the people; if you are, then this nation is truly lost. I have to think that if it really gets down to the scenario that you describe, that a great many people will fight back, and a great many of the government's soldiers will recognize what is going on, and will choose to fulfill their true duties to the Constitution and to the people. Perhaps there will be a few relative cowards among them, who will choose to rot in prison rather than take part in the war, but hopefully, there will be many more who will seize what weapons and materials they can, and use them to defend the people that their duties and their oath obligate them to defend, against the corrupt, treasonous soldiers who choose to make war against their own countrymen.
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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I think you have a lot of the thought essentially correct, the amendment itself was not meant to oppose us government.

    Nor would I frame the state interest argument as you do. But you are doing the better job of arguing.

    If I would take the state side of the interest argument, I would focus on the problem with too many semi automatics available and the danger to both officials and citizens. The LA shoot out some years ago comes to mind as an example of the problem.
    If the people are denied militarily effective firearms, how could they possible form a militia, which is necessary for the security of a free state?

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Suppose the the CT shooter had access to only 10, 10-round magazines (along with the other two guns he had), he still could have herded plenty of little kids into a school gym and executed them. An elementary school kid, or even an unarmed teacher, is not going to disarm/disable a maniac with ANY type of gun in the seconds it takes to drop/swap a magazine. Even less likely if they have a backup gun as well.

    Having an added federal gun ban violation charge to a mass murder is not going to make ANY difference. Placing a no stealing allowed sign does not deter burglars. Placing a gun free zone sign on a school does not stop mass murderers and selling no more scary black rifles is not going to either. Criminals do not obey laws, its just not in their nature. Do you seriously think that federally baning recreational drugs made them less available? I don't believe that!
    Perhaps. But Ive never said it would cure all ills. I believe I used the phrase a little safer for police. Nor did I say banning drugs ended all drug problems. Likely doing so helps in some areas and makes other areas worse, largely a wash. I also think I said that as a country we were not going to stop limiting access to some things. This is true no matter what you or I think about it.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If the people are denied militarily effective firearms, how could they possible form a militia, which is necessary for the security of a free state?
    That was true once. Not today. We have an effective military. If we had to resort to armed violence today, kiss it all good bye. The world is very different, and it would end badly for all of us. We need to rely on things other than weapons.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm tossing the bull**** flag on everyone who says they wouldn't comply.
    I won't comply. Toss whatever dumbass flag you want.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We no longer need a citizen militia need to call on for time f war.
    Maybe not, but we still need a citizen militia in general.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm tossing the bull**** flag on everyone who says they wouldn't comply. No shots were fired in 1987, they were registered, people complied, and so will you. I've seen how civilians react when there's a couple gun trucks with .50cal machine guns parked outside their house. When offered the hand-out or the bullet, civilians take the hand-out every time. You're all full of ****. America has already lost because America has accepted the government hand-out. So have the States. Internet tough-guys you will cave to the almighty hand-out in the end.
    Toss all you want, Jerry. You are assuming (and you know what they say when someone assumes!) that all people are ignorant and spineless. That is a huge mistake. I believe our government would probably agree with you... that will be their downfall if it comes to blows.

    I'm also confused about what 'internet tough guys' is supposed to mean, since it seems you are playing that card yourself... since you're pretty certain people will roll over and give what is rightfully theirs to the big daddy government.

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    Re: Would You Give Up Your Guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps. But Ive never said it would cure all ills. I believe I used the phrase a little safer for police. Nor did I say banning drugs ended all drug problems. Likely doing so helps in some areas and makes other areas worse, largely a wash. I also think I said that as a country we were not going to stop limiting access to some things. This is true no matter what you or I think about it.
    Are you kidding me? Now you will assert that restricting the Constitutional rights of the entrie civilian popualtion is justified by perhaps making a few local gov't employees a little safer? That is clearly neither a federal responsibility nor a federal power granted by the Constitution. Making local LEOs "a little safer" is a local or, at best, a state issue; even so, local and state laws cannot "bend" the Constitutional protections afforded to all citizens in the bill of rights.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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