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    Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Is it time to close Guantanamo Bay after seeing stats like this?:
    779 persons have been imprisoned in Guantanamo since January 11, 2002.166 prisoners are still detained in Guantanamo.
    603 prisoners have been released.
    1 Guantanamo prisoner has been convicted by US federal courts (Ahmed Ghalilani).
    9 have died in Guantanamo, 6 allegedly by suicide and 3 of "natural causes." (3 from Afghanistan, 3 from Saudi Arabia and 3 from Yemen).
    Only 6 of the 779 prisoners have been put before a military commission.
    4 prisoners eventually agreed to plea bargains.
    1 prisoner has been convicted in a military commission.
    1 prisoner is still at trial.
    87 prisoners of the 166 (one-half) have been "cleared for transfer" by senior officials six US government agencies, but have not been released.
    90 of the 166 are from Yemen, 18 from Afghanistan, 8 from Saudi Arabia, 7 from Algeria, 6 from Pakistan, 5 from Tunisia, 4 from China, 4 from Libya, 3 the Palestinian Territories, 3 from Syria, 2 from Mauritania, 2 from Uzbekistan, 2 from Malaysia, 2 from Sudan, 2 from Kuwait and one each from Kenya, Indonesia, Russia, Morocco, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq and Tajikistan.
    30 of those cleared for release are from Yemen and are being held until "conditions in the country improve," which means with US drone strikes in Yemen increasing, they will not be released for a long time, much less the other 60 from Yemen.
    Only 16 prisoners are considered "high value" (3 from Pakistan, 2 from Afghanistan, 2 Saudi Arabia, 2 Yemen, 2 Malaysia, 1 Indonesia, 1 Somalia, 1 Palestinian Territories, 1 Iraq, 1 Libya).
    36 prisoners have now been designated for trial.
    46 prisoners have been designated by the Obama administration for indefinite detention without charge or trial.
    38 prisoners have been determined to be held unlawfully by US Federal Courts.
    $27,251 -- yearly cost to US taxpayers of a federal prisoner.
    $800,000 -- yearly cost to US taxpayer of a Guantanamo prisoner.
    $150 million -- yearly cost to operate Guantanamo.
    Nearly 500 persons have been convicted by Federal Courts since 9/11 on terror-related charges.
    355 persons convicted in Federal Courts of terror-related charges currently are being held in US Federal prisons.
    0 persons convicted in Federal Courts of terror-related charges have escaped from any part of the Federal prison system.
    4 cases involving Guantanamo prisoner rights have gone to the US Supreme Court.
    In all 4 cases involving Guantanamo prisoner rights, the Supreme Court justices have sided with the prisoners.


    So is it time to close this and move them to the US to be held and or charged?





    http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/1...30113-117.html
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    No, it would confusing. Up to now, we know for certain that what is happen not is 100% exactly opposition from what President Obama claims. If Gitmo was closed then he would have kept a 2008 promise only 5 years late. His actually keeping a promise would really make maters confusing.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    i wasn't ever comfortable with indefinite detention. if we don't have an existing method to try "enemy combatants," then we need to devise one. holding people forever without trial is not what our country is about.

    that being said, i recognize how complex this problem is.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, it would confusing. Up to now, we know for certain that what is happen not is 100% exactly opposition from what President Obama claims. If Gitmo was closed then he would have kept a 2008 promise only 5 years late. His actually keeping a promise would really make maters confusing.
    Confusing? In what way?


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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    When has it not been the time to close Guantamano Bay?

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Yup it's time to close it, and for this reason:

    $800,000 -- yearly cost to US taxpayer of a Guantanamo prisoner.
    $150 million -- yearly cost to operate Guantanamo.
    Couldn't give half a damn about the Muslim extremists, but I care about the bottom line.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Republicans still don't seem to think so if the recent NDAA is to be believed.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Put them on Obama's "hit list", let them out (with tracking device implanted?) and zap them, at repectable intervals, via a drone strike, hopefully with a carload (tent full?) of their best friends.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Yes. Absolutely. We should have done it years ago. It is a travesty. Once we pull out of Afghanistan we will have absolutely no moral standing whatsoever to justify indefinite detention without trial. Give them a trial and execute them; send them home; whatever, but it needs to be ended.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Guantanamo has the same reputation as the Russian gulags. Rendition, torture, detention wihout trial, the American Way. That would be us, collectively. Guantanamo is a reflection of ourselves because we have allowed this. I don't know how we would have stopped it, but we allowed it. Obama said he'd close it and did not and still was re-elected.
    The People have spoken and noone is listening.

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