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Thread: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    The whole point of Guantanamo was to get around established laws, it should never have been used for prisoners. The prisoners should be treated as POWs per the Geneva conventions, given a legitimate trial in the USA or set free. I don't buy the arguments that we need a special category of criminal/combatant so the established laws can be circumvented. Obama should have used an executive order to move the prisoners to the USA and put them on trial as he (supposedly) originally intended to do.

    By the way, there is good reason to believe that some of the prisoners may be innocent, or too small-time to be worth incarcerating.
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Obama should have used an executive order to move the prisoners to the USA and put them on trial as he (supposedly) originally intended to do.
    Such an order was issued on January 22, 2009. But funding for these purposes is still required and for partisan reasons, Republicans would rather have Gitmo around than closed. They have managed to block funding ever since.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    By the way, there is good reason to believe that some of the prisoners may be innocent, or too small-time to be worth incarcerating.
    Not so much anymore. The small fry and non-fry were mostly returned home or released to a third country that agreed to take them. Those who have been cleared for release but are still at Guantanamo Bay face serious security questions should they be returned to their home country if that country happens to be China or Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Keep it open.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Shut it down. Literally the only people I can imagine who still care about keeping it open at this point are the grunts whose paychecks depend on it.
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The whole point of Guantanamo was to get around established laws, it should never have been used for prisoners. The prisoners should be treated as POWs per the Geneva conventions, given a legitimate trial in the USA or set free. I don't buy the arguments that we need a special category of criminal/combatant so the established laws can be circumvented. Obama should have used an executive order to move the prisoners to the USA and put them on trial as he (supposedly) originally intended to do.

    By the way, there is good reason to believe that some of the prisoners may be innocent, or too small-time to be worth incarcerating.
    Or not since those POW don't meet the requirments for Geneva protection. Their trails should be military tribunial.

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    We shouldn't be holding anyone without charging, trying, or convicting them for some kind of criminal offense. That so few prisoners there have been put through any kind of process is damning. Our respect for law and process and treating everyone in a just and humane manner is what makes us better than our enemies, and compromising those values to fight an enemy destroys us in the process. If we are truly righteous (which, by comparison, we are), then we should not fear to try a terrorist or conspirator in open court. Guantanamo Bay represents a significant betrayal of what this country stands for and it should have been closed a long time ago.
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    and we have at least 2 empty Federal prisons in USA......time to use them and create jobs and lower costs........

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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    It should be closed ASAP.

    We need to close this dark chapter in our history. It should have NEVER been built in the first place, and the atrocities that occurred there should be investigated further with charges given out.

    Gitmo is a black eye in our history for sure.
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The whole point of Guantanamo was to get around established laws, it should never have been used for prisoners. The prisoners should be treated as POWs per the Geneva conventions, given a legitimate trial in the USA or set free. I don't buy the arguments that we need a special category of criminal/combatant so the established laws can be circumvented. Obama should have used an executive order to move the prisoners to the USA and put them on trial as he (supposedly) originally intended to do.

    By the way, there is good reason to believe that some of the prisoners may be innocent, or too small-time to be worth incarcerating.
    1. most of the guys being held at gitmo do not meet the guidelines of the geneva convention to be considered POWs

    2. i agree they should either be tried or set free.

    3. the problem lies with where are you going to try them? which court would hear the cases?

    4. if you set them free..where the hell are they going to go? many of them would be killed in very short order if they were sent back "home" (either by their former terrorist buddies out of fear that they had collaborated with the enemy or by the locals who don't want a terrorist living amonst them). i've been to iraq and gitmo, most of those guys are living better in gitmo than they were in whatever desert craphole they came from
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    Re: Is It Time To Close Guantanamo Bay?

    Guantanamo Bay has been a US Military instillation all my life and certainly long before 9/11/01. I see no reason to shut it down. As far as the Camp Delta section where Al Qaeda POWs are kept, I'm not sure. Knowing how passionate Sen. Obama was about closing it then did a 180 once he became POTUS leads me to conclude there has to be some important national security reason for his change in position that he cannot share with the public.

    Since the War on Terror has gone on longer than anybody expected I could be talked into supporting the concept of offering each detainee the choice of having their status' changed from POW to criminal suspect and then face a regular criminal charge(s) such as murder or conspiracy to commit murder under Afghan, Iraqi, British, German, US law, etc. depending on where each infraction occurred with the real possibility of multiple trials per detainee when multiple jurisdictions are involved with sentences to be served consecutively but with time deducted for time already spent at Camp Delta.
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